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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    ah - but if this "freedom of speech" as you refer to it, is some sort of Holy untouchable human right, then why would there be restrictions or limitations to how it is applied?

    Are all human rights restrictive in nature?
    Yes, I would say they are. The right to freedom of speech simply means that our government can't persecute us or abridge that right. It's not referring to a private citizen. You don't have some pure, unadulterated "right" to free speech.

    You don't have freedom of speech here. You don't have it at work. You don't have it on private property. Freedom of speech means freedom from government intervention for exercising your right to free speech. Vito Corleone may take exception to your right at any time.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, I would say they are. The right to freedom of speech simply means that our government can't persecute us or abridge that right. It's not referring to a private citizen. You don't have some pure, unadulterated "right" to free speech.

    You don't have freedom of speech here. You don't have it at work. You don't have it on private property. Freedom of speech means freedom from government intervention for exercising your right to free speech. Vito Corleone may take exception to your right at any time.
    And since 2010 the US Supreme Court bench has provided the Corporate entity with the same rights as US citizens

    (although, does it really matter now? THe Patriot Acts and the NDAA have technically suspended the US constitution and US bill of rights - the US is legally a fascist Corporate State now - lock stock and barrel)

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    And since 2010 the US Supreme Court bench has provided the Corporate entity with the same rights as US citizens

    (although, does it really matter now? THe Patriot Acts and the NDAA have technically suspended the US constitution and US bill of rights - the US is legally a fascist Corporate State now - lock stock and barrel)
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You prefer taxation without representation?
    taxation = corporate profit

    what representation do you have there?

    In any case, what objections do you have against taxation?

    About 97% of all inventions and/or developments are initially funded by the tax payer - including the Internet and the COmputer.

    What about the Space exploration programs? You have something against the Hubble telescope?
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    what was the point of this thread? It's not even controversial.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If someone punches you in the face for merely using a term they don't like they will go to jail and you should sue them. If my son were to tell a joke and some adult took offense and punched him I would kill the adult and I doubt I would be charged
    Physical violence aside, the real point here is that some people want to say racist things and hide behind the First Amendment when they get callled on it. If someone works in a retail environment and they insult the customers, they get fired, right? But don't they have the right to free speech?


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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Physical violence aside, the real point here is that some people want to say racist things and hide behind the First Amendment when they get callled on it. If someone works in a retail environment and they insult the customers, they get fired, right? But don't they have the right to free speech?
    They do not have a right to a job at that particular place. Decisions have consequences. As Maggie pointed out, the First Amendment is a restriction on government, not a restriction on others.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.

    Should racist and bigoted words and expressions be outlawed?
    The key phrase in this is "on the internet". It is not the responsibility to police the internet, nor do they have a place to take action against things said on the internet (while outside of school). Anything said while in school, on a school computer, or directly affecting and complained about during school, in my mind is fair game for punitive action. It's the responsibility of the parents to teach their children proper behavior, nor the school's.

    The reason I said "directly affecting someone" is because this happened to me once. I had a crazy ex girlfriend who I broke up with and she decided to try and defame me by creating a fake website with all sorts of disgusting and untrue things on it about me. I had to use my school resource officer to get her to take it down, since it was in fact illegal.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    They do not have a right to a job at that particular place. Decisions have consequences. As Maggie pointed out, the First Amendment is a restriction on government, not a restriction on others.
    In other words, you do have the freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want, but you have to live with the consequences.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, I would say they are. The right to freedom of speech simply means that our government can't persecute us or abridge that right. It's not referring to a private citizen. You don't have some pure, unadulterated "right" to free speech.

    You don't have freedom of speech here. You don't have it at work. You don't have it on private property. Freedom of speech means freedom from government intervention for exercising your right to free speech. Vito Corleone may take exception to your right at any time.
    I would argue this a little bit. You do have freedom of speech wherever you go, but you have to live with whatever consequences arise as a result. Later in the thread it is said that if you say something that offends someone and they hit you for it, they get charged, which is fine. You're protected there because they assaulted you as a result of what you said, which is illegal. On the other hand, you still have your broken nose. In the work analogy, you can say whatever you want, but you will wind up without a job. No one can put a strip of duct tape across your mouth legally, but firing someone for bad behavior is perfectly legal and rightful action against a dumbass employee.
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