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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If an institution, such as a school, can claim jurisdiction over a client's life when that client is not on the institution's property, and not under that institution's supervision or control, then what jurisdiction can that institution not claim?

    I just do not see any rational basis for allowing such an institution such broad authority over things that happen outside of its own territory.
    That's because you are viewing the school from the perspective of a governmental entity claiming broad authority whose jurisdiction and power need to be constrained. Whereas I am just viewing it as a means to an end (i.e. educating a child in the best way that it can).
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's because you are viewing the school from the perspective of a governmental entity claiming broad authority whose jurisdiction and power need to be constrained. Whereas I am just viewing it as a means to an end (i.e. educating a child in the best way that it can).
    Exercising that kind of control over a child's life, outside of the property and jurisdiction of the school, does nothing to further the school's legitimate task of educating a child. AT best, it is a completely unwarranted intrusion upon the authority of that child's parents, and upon that child's own sovereignty.

    And no, the ends most certainly do not justify the means in this case. They don't even come close.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It's called freedom of speech. You know...that principle where people have the right to voice their opinion about something. Oh wait! You only cared about freedom of speech when it related to students being allowed to use racial epithets, not when it is used to inform school officials of how those epithets affected people who read them.
    Students free to say what they want to say even if I don't agree with it...... Check.

    Parents trying to censor students right to free speech by looking for any way to get them in trouble with the school when the incident occurred outside of school........ Not so kosher.

    This is what happens in the "PC" world.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Exercising that kind of control over a child's life, outside of the property and jurisdiction of the school, does nothing to further the school's legitimate task of educating a child.
    If students are bullying each other off-campus (whether with racist words or any other way), that can affect their ability to learn. And in any case, learning not to be a dick to other people is itself a valid form of education IMO.

    AT best, it is a completely unwarranted intrusion upon the authority of that child's parents, and upon that child's own sovereignty.
    The parents are often not aware of how their children are treating other students, or they don't care.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And yet the limitation on free speech didn't come from the government, but from the students themselves. Assuming the students had gone to a public school, when they signed the conduct pledge in order to participate in the sports activities they constrained their own rights to speak freely. They accepted the role as public representatives of their school and the responsibilities that came with it. They had the choice to not sign that pledge and even to take the school to court if they felt it somehow violated their rights, but they chose of their own free will to comply and have only themselves to blame for their poor choice in how they practiced their free speech.
    You don't have a clue whether they accepted a pledge or not....

    I do recall the article from the other thread that brought this issue into light mentioned that PARENTS were CALLING to SEE IF they COULD FIND A WAY to PUNISH these TEENS for WHAT THEY SAID by CHECKING to see if there was some form of CONTRACT.

    Adults were trying to get these kids in trouble with the school for stuff they did outside of school WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE of whether there was an agreement with the school or not.

    THAT is pathetic.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    the nerfball society is strong with this thread. keep it up, as if we werent being outcompeted already.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If an institution, such as a school, can claim jurisdiction over a client's life when that client is not on the institution's property, and not under that institution's supervision or control, then what jurisdiction can that institution not claim?

    I just do not see any rational basis for allowing such an institution such broad authority over things that happen outside of its own territory.
    What Kandahar is saying is that a subject of the public school system shall not be entitled to liberty beyond its control.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    What Kandahar is saying is that a subject of the public school system shall not be entitled to liberty beyond its control.
    AKA "You will comply".
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.

    Should racist and bigoted words and expressions be outlawed?
    Wow - criminalizing words.
    That's so - so - communistic.

    But schools have always treated them AS curse words - if they wrote '**** you, you ****ing ****hole ****face ****licker' they'd get in trouble too - what they said wasn't the only issue being addressed.

    So really - what people are wanting is for peopel to consider racial epithets to be like curse words.
    Well - they are, really. The majority of people don't go around saying them they're bleeped out and censored more than curse words are, really.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Wow - criminalizing words.
    That's so - so - communistic.

    But schools have always treated them AS curse words - if they wrote '**** you, you ****ing ****hole ****face ****licker' they'd get in trouble too - what they said wasn't the only issue being addressed.

    So really - what people are wanting is for peopel to consider racial epithets to be like curse words.
    Well - they are, really. The majority of people don't go around saying them they're bleeped out and censored more than curse words are, really.
    Agreed. As I see it, it isn't even so much the racism as the "don't be a dick to other students" aspect of it.
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