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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I think the contract idea was more of a guess.

    Parents who were reporting what they saw other students posting on the interwebz began calling the school trying to find ways to get the students in trouble for using a word they didn't like.

    What kind of worthless **** is that..........
    It's called freedom of speech. You know...that principle where people have the right to voice their opinion about something. Oh wait! You only cared about freedom of speech when it related to students being allowed to use racial epithets, not when it is used to inform school officials of how those epithets affected people who read them.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You have some strange ideas on education. Fortunately you don't have any power to enact them.
    Says the one person in this thread so far who is defending the idea that an educational institution should be granted power over the lives of its clients even when they are on their own time, on their own property, and completely outside of any reasonable vestige of that institution's jurisdiction.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It's also not "freedom from repercussions" from what you chose to say.

    The idea behind freedom of speech isn't that you have the freedom to say whatever you want and never have to face any consequences from anyone for saying it.
    Except that this thread is talking about consequences coming from the government. The 1st Amendment was made specifically to keep the government from enacting laws that punished people for expressing free speech. And yes, that includes offensive speech. As such the question that this thread puts forth is meaningless. Unless we're talking about a Constitutional Amendment? Something which I would still be against because it guts the very reason that free speech was put in the 1st Amendment.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Of course not. People who get offended by them should be encouraged to grow the hell up.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.

    Should racist and bigoted words and expressions be outlawed?

    If the "N word" were criminalized, there would be a lotta black folks in jail for using it... just sayin'.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except that this thread is talking about consequences coming from the government. The 1st Amendment was made specifically to keep the government from enacting laws that punished people for expressing free speech. And yes, that includes offensive speech.
    And yet the limitation on free speech didn't come from the government, but from the students themselves. Assuming the students had gone to a public school, when they signed the conduct pledge in order to participate in the sports activities they constrained their own rights to speak freely. They accepted the role as public representatives of their school and the responsibilities that came with it. They had the choice to not sign that pledge and even to take the school to court if they felt it somehow violated their rights, but they chose of their own free will to comply and have only themselves to blame for their poor choice in how they practiced their free speech.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And yet the limitation on free speech didn't come from the government, but from the students themselves. Assuming the students had gone to a public school, when they signed the conduct pledge in order to participate in the sports activities they constrained their own rights to speak freely. They accepted the role as public representatives of their school and the responsibilities that came with it. They had the choice to not sign that pledge and even to take the school to court if they felt it somehow violated their rights, but they chose of their own free will to comply and have only themselves to blame for their poor choice in how they practiced their free speech.
    Except the OP is about making a law to punish adults free speech. Yes the OP got the idea from that other thread but the OP boils down to making it against the law to say racist, bigoted words for everyone.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.

    Should racist and bigoted words and expressions be outlawed?
    That's just a bandaid for a deep underlying issue. Instead of banning words, why don't we just ****ing talk about it like adults? Open up the dialogue on race that we've been avoiding for over 300 years. We have done nothing to fix the problem, we just ignore it like it doesn't exist, and sweep it under the carpet and put bandaids over gaping wounds, hoping it never arises again.

    So we make some words illegal, what does that do? If you throw a peckerwood in jail for calling a guy a nigger, the dumb honkey isn't going to learn anything. He's not going to magically see the light and not be racist anymore. It's just going to reaffirm his beliefs. This isn't something that can just be legislated away, we have to actually put forth real effort as individuals, which means it's never going to happen.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Says the one person in this thread so far who is defending the idea that an educational institution should be granted power over the lives of its clients even when they are on their own time, on their own property, and completely outside of any reasonable vestige of that institution's jurisdiction.
    Well I think that students bullying each other (including off-campus bullying) *does* fall under the school's jurisdiction. And frankly I think that the idea that schools shouldn't care what happens to their students after the final bell rings, is nothing more than a holdover from the old assembly-line model of education. That notion is no longer the world we live in, and our education systems need to be much more holistic than that in order to succeed.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well I think that students bullying each other (including off-campus bullying) *does* fall under the school's jurisdiction. And frankly I think that the idea that schools shouldn't care what happens to their students after the final bell rings, is nothing more than a holdover from the old assembly-line model of education. That notion is no longer the world we live in, and our education systems need to be much more holistic than that in order to succeed.
    If an institution, such as a school, can claim jurisdiction over a client's life when that client is not on the institution's property, and not under that institution's supervision or control, then what jurisdiction can that institution not claim?

    I just do not see any rational basis for allowing such an institution such broad authority over things that happen outside of its own territory.
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