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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.

    Should racist and bigoted words and expressions be outlawed?
    Nigga, please.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    When did statutory mandatory school attendance by children become statutory mandatory whole-life political correctness by children?

    What possible justification is there for a school to punish a student for in his/her private life being a bigot? Lots of people claim religions are bigoted, so that also therefore punishable. It certainly is not illegal to have and express prejudices - though a school could do so within school as a matter of maintaining order.

    Just how far do you think schools are allowed to go to monitor and punish wrongful thoughts and views of students in their private lives? Suspend a student for posting on Facebook she doesn't find fat boys attractive? Or he thinks Islam is a stupid religion? Or he doesn't like "Mexican" gangs? Or that he doesn't think the USA should have a black man, ie a "N" as president? Oh yes, a student saying that definitely should be thrown out of chess club or the basketball team, ridiculed to everyone else in school also inviting harassment and attack for it, and required to do community service.

    Maybe, really, children should just be totally raised by schools in child rearing government centers for the good of the nation - constantly under audio and video surveillance to do the best possible job of preventing prohibited thinking, questioning and conversations.
    Sorry, but if you participate in extracurricular activities, such as playing on a sports team, you are a representative of your school. If you then go online and advertise your school affiliation while at the same time bringing discredit upon your school, your school has every right to take action in showing that the student does not in fact represent the school's position or values.

    I don't think they should be expelled because they are entitled to an education. But kicking them off a sports team is certainly justified. If you are going to go online and say stupid stuff like that then don't affiliate yourself with your school.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.
    Good lord what an overreaction.

    1. The school did not "punish" the students, they suspended them from a sport team that the school sponsored for violating a conduct pledge the students signed in order to participate on that team.
    2. The school in that OP was a PRIVATE school, for crying out loud.
    3. Adults face consequences for things they say everyday. I certainly could be fired from my job for making a racist comment or even face legal consequences if a coworker or employee felt I was making the office into a hostile work environment.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Sorry, but if you participate in extracurricular activities, such as playing on a sports team, you are a representative of your school. If you then go online and advertise your school affiliation while at the same time bringing discredit upon your school, your school has every right to take action in showing that the student does not in fact represent the school's position or values.

    I don't think they should be expelled because they are entitled to an education. But kicking them off a sports team is certainly justified. If you are going to go online and say stupid stuff like that then don't affiliate yourself with your school.
    If that's the context sure. I don't know that it was the case this time, but everything done as a representative of an extra curricular is fair game. If for instance a quarterback for a majority white school said something like "we're gonna take those N words down" towards a majority black school in any capacity he should be released from the team and disciplined. If he says "I don't like N words" as himself, not so sure that is the schools business.

    In neither case am I condoning that BTW.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Good lord what an overreaction.

    1. The school did not "punish" the students, they suspended them from a sport team that the school sponsored for violating a conduct pledge the students signed in order to participate on that team.
    2. The school in that OP was a PRIVATE school, for crying out loud.
    3. Adults face consequences for things they say everyday. I certainly could be fired from my job for making a racist comment or even face legal consequences if a coworker or employee felt I was making the office into a hostile work environment.
    So a pledge was signed. No issue then, if they violated a contract the students are in the wrong, period.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    If that's the context sure. I don't know that it was the case this time, but everything done as a representative of an extra curricular is fair game. If for instance a quarterback for a majority white school said something like "we're gonna take those N words down" towards a majority black school in any capacity he should be released from the team and disciplined. If he says "I don't like N words" as himself, not so sure that is the schools business.

    In neither case am I condoning that BTW.
    well if the football captain of a mostly white school posts something on his face book page noting that that Carmel Indiana (a mainly white school near Indy) is playing "Crispus Attucks (a historically all black school-Oscar Robertson is perhaps its most famous member, I know its not still a HS) and stated we are going to "kick some nigger ass tomorrow" then I can see the school sanctioning that activity since the student is representing his school and making racist comments.

    On the other hand if the student uses an anonymous handle-say Hamster and makes similar comments in general, its hard to see how the school has any legitimate right

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well if the football captain of a mostly white school posts something on his face book page noting that that Carmel Indiana (a mainly white school near Indy) is playing "Crispus Attucks (a historically all black school-Oscar Robertson is perhaps its most famous member, I know its not still a HS) and stated we are going to "kick some nigger ass tomorrow" then I can see the school sanctioning that activity since the student is representing his school and making racist comments.

    On the other hand if the student uses an anonymous handle-say Hamster and makes similar comments in general, its hard to see how the school has any legitimate right
    Right, if there is a degree of seperation it's out of the schools responsibility IMO. Apparently there was a conduct code signed though, so that would actually put the school in the right.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.

    Should racist and bigoted words and expressions be outlawed?
    Freedom of speech. Not freedom from being offended.

    Besides, as far as I'm concerned if a group of people want to call themselves something then it is stupid, hypocritical, and bigoted for them to cry foul when someone that they don't condone says it.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    I think the contract idea was more of a guess.

    Parents who were reporting what they saw other students posting on the interwebz began calling the school trying to find ways to get the students in trouble for using a word they didn't like.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Freedom of speech. Not freedom from being offended.
    It's also not "freedom from repercussions" from what you chose to say.

    The idea behind freedom of speech isn't that you have the freedom to say whatever you want and never have to face any consequences from anyone for saying it.
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