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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Freedom of speech is sometimes unpleasant but as a whole necessary.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    On another thread it has been brought up that some schools are taking punitive actions students they discover use the "N" word on the Internet. If young people should be punished for using racist or bigoted words, obviously adults should.
    I don't see how your conclusion follows from your premise. Schools punish students for a lot of things that aren't illegal. When I was in high school I got Saturday school a few times for dropping an F-bomb, which last I checked is not illegal. I don't see why racist words would be any different...in fact, I think it would be substantially worse than an F-bomb, if it was directed at a specific student and/or within earshot of a member of that race.

    So no, it shouldn't be illegal. And yes, I'm fine with schools punishing students for it.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't see how your conclusion follows from your premise. Schools punish students for a lot of things that aren't illegal. When I was in high school I got Saturday school a few times for dropping an F-bomb, which last I checked is not illegal. I don't see why racist words would be any different...in fact, I think it would be substantially worse than an F-bomb, if it was directed at a specific student and/or within earshot of a member of that race.

    So no, it shouldn't be illegal. And yes, I'm fine with schools punishing students for it.
    What about cameras in students houses to monitor their language? Good idea too?

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What about cameras in students houses to monitor their language? Good idea too?
    Umm. What?
    I have no idea where you are going with this or what point you are trying to make.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Umm. What?
    I have no idea where you are going with this or what point you are trying to make.
    The students are not being punished for statements made in or during school. They are being punished from statements they supposedly made on Internet social media, ie their private time and not any part of school or school activity. Schools monitoring and punishing students internet statements and activities not related in any manner to school. That's what I mean.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The students are not being punished for statements made in or during school. They are being punished from statements they supposedly made on Internet social media, ie their private time and not any part of school or school activity. Schools monitoring and punishing students internet statements and activities not related in any manner to school. That's what I mean.
    If they are bullying other students via racial slurs on the internet, then it's absolutely the business of the school. If they're just casually using racial slurs in other situations...meh. The school probably has more important things to worry about, but I still don't really mind if they want to punish the kid.

    The whole idea that schools shouldn't be concerned with what their students do outside of school is pretty outdated IMO.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If they are bullying other students via racial slurs on the internet, then it's absolutely the business of the school.
    Why??

    The whole idea that schools shouldn't be concerned with what their students do outside of school is pretty outdated IMO.
    Why??

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If they are bullying other students via racial slurs on the internet, then it's absolutely the business of the school. If they're just casually using racial slurs in other situations...meh. The school probably has more important things to worry about, but I still don't really mind if they want to punish the kid.

    The whole idea that schools shouldn't be concerned with what their students do outside of school is pretty outdated IMO.

    When did statutory mandatory school attendance by children become statutory mandatory whole-life political correctness by children?

    What possible justification is there for a school to punish a student for in his/her private life being a bigot? Lots of people claim religions are bigoted, so that also therefore punishable. It certainly is not illegal to have and express prejudices - though a school could do so within school as a matter of maintaining order.

    Just how far do you think schools are allowed to go to monitor and punish wrongful thoughts and views of students in their private lives? Suspend a student for posting on Facebook she doesn't find fat boys attractive? Or he thinks Islam is a stupid religion? Or he doesn't like "Mexican" gangs? Or that he doesn't think the USA should have a black man, ie a "N" as president? Oh yes, a student saying that definitely should be thrown out of chess club or the basketball team, ridiculed to everyone else in school also inviting harassment and attack for it, and required to do community service.

    Maybe, really, children should just be totally raised by schools in child rearing government centers for the good of the nation - constantly under audio and video surveillance to do the best possible job of preventing prohibited thinking, questioning and conversations.

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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why??
    Because bullying other students affects their ability to learn.

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    Because stuff that students do off-campus can impact their own or other students' ability to learn.
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    Re: Criminalize racist and bigoted words?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    When did statutory mandatory school attendance by children become statutory mandatory whole-life political correctness by children?
    I hardly think telling students not to go around saying the N-word qualifies as "mandatory whole-life political correctness," but to each his own.

    What possible justification is there for a school to punish a student for in his/her private life being a bigot? Lots of people claim religions are bigoted, so that also therefore punishable. It certainly is not illegal to have and express prejudices - though a school could do so within school as a matter of maintaining order.

    Just how far do you think schools are allowed to go to monitor and punish wrongful thoughts and views of students in their private lives? Suspend a student for posting on Facebook she doesn't find fat boys attractive? Or he thinks Islam is a stupid religion? Or he doesn't like "Mexican" gangs? Or that he doesn't think the USA should have a black man, ie a "N" as president? Oh yes, a student saying that definitely should be thrown out of chess club or the basketball team, ridiculed to everyone else in school also inviting harassment and attack for it, and required to do community service.

    Maybe, really, children should just be totally raised by schools in child rearing government centers for the good of the nation - constantly under audio and video surveillance to do the best possible job of preventing prohibited thinking, questioning and conversations.
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