View Poll Results: What changes should be done to our immigration policy

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  • Leave it as it is-some quotas based on countries of origin

    5 11.11%
  • do not change the laws but enforce them better

    10 22.22%
  • Restrict immigration to those with needed skills

    15 33.33%
  • restrict immigration to those able to provide for themselves

    11 24.44%
  • Have a complete moratorium on immigration for a period of years

    6 13.33%
  • Other

    17 37.78%
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Thread: Immigration reform

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And you can pay for it.
    Having educated people more than pays for itself.

    Wait! Are you one of the 47% who pay no taxes??
    Not that it's any of your business, but I earn about $100,000 a year. Which, incidentally, still makes me a net tax consumer although I do earn enough to pay income taxes. See, that's what having a good education system can do.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Why don't we have "Ellis Island" like immigration centers at the border of the US and Mexico like we did with all those European immigrants? Gives us a chance to screen for various health risks, hand out some basic information, and process those who are coming here to live the American dream? Then we hammer the **** out of illegals who obviously are skirting a generous immigration system.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Having educated people more than pays for itself.

    Not that it's any of your business, but I earn about $100,000 a year. Which, incidentally, still makes me a net tax consumer although I do earn enough to pay income taxes. See, that's what having a good education system can do.
    I have no desire to pay income taxes so that immigrants can come to this country and get free educations. You want to? I hope you have that opportunity. I hope your children have that opportunity. And, perhaps, they'll even get through college without student loans. What a wonderful gift to give total strangers.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I have no desire to pay income taxes so that immigrants can come to this country and get free educations. You want to? I hope you have that opportunity.
    And I hope that I have the opportunity to elect representatives who will make you do it too.

    What a wonderful gift to give total strangers.
    These "total strangers" are potential American citizens, as a very high percentage of US-educated foreigners would like to stay here if they could. And since our economy NEEDS highly-educated people to fill high-skilled jobs more than ever, we should be welcoming them with open arms. That "wonderful gift" is actually a very good investment in America's future. There are only so many native-born smart people...and that number is simply not enough to match the shortfall of high-skilled jobs our economy requires.

    Give me a break.
    Fortunately, economic necessity will ultimately win out over your short-sighted xenophobia and selfishness. Maybe not every single election, but in the long term.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And I hope that I have the opportunity to elect representatives who will make you do it too.

    These "total strangers" are potential American citizens, as a very high percentage of US-educated foreigners would like to stay here if they could. And since our economy NEEDS highly-educated people to fill high-skilled jobs more than ever, we should be welcoming them with open arms. That "wonderful gift" is actually a very good investment in America's future. There are only so many native-born smart people...and that number is simply not enough to match the shortfall of high-skilled jobs our economy requires.

    Fortunately, economic necessity will ultimately win out over your short-sighted xenophobia and selfishness. Maybe not every single election, but in the long term.
    I am not xenophobic.

    I, unlike you, would like to see our own American citizens getting those jobs. I'd like to see our citizens graduating without $50K in student loans. Without having to mortgage their futures in order to do so. We don't have to import smarts. We've got plenty of smarts right here.

    Going to waste. Our failing education system in inner cities is wasting entire generations of young minds. While you would import talent? I say we have plenty of it right here.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    IT is now well known that hispanic immigrants who came here legally or illegally and then gained citizenship were a major reason for Obama winning Florida, Virginia Colorado and perhaps some other states. Several discussions I heard today noted that the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama. 75% of them are not well educated or have a skilled trade.
    Based on those assumptions, what should be done with our immigration policies
    Our immigration laws and how we deal with illegals should have nothing to do with who anyone votes for. We should restrict immigration to those who can support themselves and those with needed skills because we can't be supporting everyone who comes across the border, not because they might vote democrat or some other party.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Even if it's all true, I don't see what difference it makes as to what our policy should be on immigration.

    This is no different than believing that many in poor communities believe that voting for Obama will get them more welfare. And if we're stupid enough to give welfare to illegal immigrants? We deserve exactly what we get.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    refresh.. I posted the wrong link..

    The new link talks about how there is 11,000 jobs that need to be filled in the absence of Georgia's new immigration law. These positions they suggest filling with people currently serving time in jail, mainly because no one else will do the work.

    Farmers do not have profit margins like big business. They can't afford to pay people high wages to pick produce from crops. Therefor its a symbiotic relationship between farmers and immigrants. Always has been.

    The farmers should raise the wages to attract workers, not piss bitch and moan that they can't hire illegals. Back breaking labor in the hot sun from sun up to sun down out in the country requires more than what you can get away with paying a cashier at walmart or a burger flipper at a McDonalds.These conditions should be taken into consideration.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I am not xenophobic.

    I, unlike you, would like to see our own American citizens getting those jobs.
    There is not a fixed number of jobs in the economy. Every additional educated worker is a net POSITIVE for jobs.

    I'd like to see our citizens graduating without $50K in student loans.
    Having $50K in student loans has little to do with what I am proposing, so that's a red herring.

    Without having to mortgage their futures in order to do so. We don't have to import smarts. We've got plenty of smarts right here.
    That's a feel-good platitude, but it has little resemblance to the facts.

    Humdrum and High-Skilled Jobs Are Going Unfilled - NYTimes.com
    Report: Health-worker shortage could hit 250,000 by 2020 | cleveland.com
    Shortage of Educated Workers Boosts U.S. Joblessness - Bloomberg

    Going to waste. Our failing education system in inner cities is wasting entire generations of young minds. While you would import talent?
    You act as though fixing inner-city schools and bringing in high-skilled workers are mutually exclusive propositions. They are not.

    I say we have plenty of it right here.
    You can say it all you like, but the facts are simply not on your side.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    In retrospect it seems Bush Jr. demonstrated some foresight by simply hinting at the possibility of immigration reform (notice the term reform and not ouright amnesty, despite what some may insist), given the trends established in the last three election cycles.

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