View Poll Results: What changes should be done to our immigration policy

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  • Leave it as it is-some quotas based on countries of origin

    5 11.11%
  • do not change the laws but enforce them better

    10 22.22%
  • Restrict immigration to those with needed skills

    15 33.33%
  • restrict immigration to those able to provide for themselves

    11 24.44%
  • Have a complete moratorium on immigration for a period of years

    6 13.33%
  • Other

    17 37.78%
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I believe Turtle is right on this. Hispanics broke for Pres Obama in droves during this election. Just because someone is a legal citizen doesn't mean they A) Dont' have an illegal relative(s) B) Don't know an illegal immigrant C) Weren't an illegal themselves at some point D) Simply see Gov Romney's self deportation statement as general discrimination or lack of concern for hispanics. Further evidence of this is that Pres Bush II got a lot more of the hispanic vote because his immigration policies were much more moderate. I'm not saying they are wrong about that. I didn't vote for Gov Romney for many reasons. But first and foremost was the simple fact that I believe he would get us into another useless war/conflict. I probably could've overlooked a lot of the other stuff but that issue made me write in Ron Paul instead of vote for Romney. Some people are one issue voters, that's all there is to it. When that one issue is the deportation of your relatives/friends or the perceived general lack of concern for your entire race, it equals a landslide break for Pres Obama. I don't blame them either. I'd probably do the same thing if I were hispanic.
    Yet Obama has deported more Illegal Immigrants than Bush ever did. Still don't get how this makes sense.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    refresh.. I posted the wrong link..

    The new link talks about how there is 11,000 jobs that need to be filled in the absence of Georgia's new immigration law. These positions they suggest filling with people currently serving time in jail, mainly because no one else will do the work.

    Farmers do not have profit margins like big business. They can't afford to pay people high wages to pick produce from crops. Therefor its a symbiotic relationship between farmers and immigrants. Always has been.
    Don't let farmers kid you. Farmers can simply raise their prices, for God's sake. If they can't afford to pay minimum wage -- or can't afford to pay whatEVER they need to pay to get their work done?

    The rest of us are just going to have to pony up more for apples.

    Filling jobs with people in jail? That sounds a lot like slavery to me.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Georgia Immigration Law Hits Farmers Hard

    tell me what you think of this?

    Apparently the only people who are willing to do this work for this little pay is unskilled immigrants be they legal or otherwise. Just want your take on this situation.
    I would figure a union supporter like you would be against such things.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Why are there no options for opening up our immigration more? Our country is replete with examples of immigrants flooding in very quickly, and native wages have largely been unaffected. There is very little evidence that low-skilled immigrants with little education drive down wages, and these poor people are far less likely to commit crimes or be a drain on the social safety net than natives. Even if immigrants taking welfare was a concern, why not just raise restrictions on immigrants getting welfare? Most states don't allow new citizens to get welfare for their first five years here. Welfare isn't a large draw for many; it's jobs and vastly superior economic opportunities.

    Immigrants help our labor force diversify and become more efficient, and their fertility rates will keep our entitlements solvent for much longer than what would otherwise be the case. Obviously, we need to monitor those coming in to screen for criminals and the sick, but our country has done well when immigrants have been able to enter the country, largely freely. Restrictionists say that illegals need to wait in line. They make a good point, but the problem is that there is no line for most people. Unless you are highly skilled and have an employer who has already hired you, closely related to a citizen, a refugee, or one of the lucky few to get a work visa you probably are not getting in legally. Even those who can have to go through years of bureaucratic hell and spend thousands of dollars, and after all of this, they can still be deported for breaking arcane and arbitrarily enforced rules. Demand far outstrips the supply of legal immigration slots. Immigrants are simply going to have more opportunities here than most other places, and they will keep coming. If we want to solve our immigration problems, the system has to be greatly liberalized and streamlined. Immigration restriction is nothing more than dressed up protectionism.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    IT is now well known that hispanic immigrants who came here legally or illegally and then gained citizenship were a major reason for Obama winning Florida, Virginia Colorado and perhaps some other states. Several discussions I heard today noted that the welfare promises of the DNC rather than amnesty were the main reason why more than 2/3s of these hispanic immigrants voted for Obama. 75% of them are not well educated or have a skilled trade.

    Based on those assumptions, what should be done with our immigration policies


    I heard several discussions today that the sky is really green and the super rich feel so bad about pissing away a billion dollars on a fail they are voluntarily asking for a tax increase...want to hear more about discussions I heard today ?

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    even for people who have no skills or education and have a very high probability of becoming dependent on handouts?
    Simple solution, put restrictions on immigrants getting welfare.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, I'm not denying it at all. I just don't think it has a damned thing to do what with our immigration policies should be. I don't know if that's true or false. It makes no difference.
    It matters because what is best for Mexicans is not best for the United States...
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Leave it as it is-some quotas based on countries of origin
    do not change the laws but enforce them better
    Restrict immigration to those with needed skills
    restrict immigration to those able to provide for themselves
    Have a complete moratorium on immigration for a period of years
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    [x] Open borders for anyone in the world who has at least a bachelor's degree and has committed no crimes.
    [x] Increased immigration for those who want to pursue a bachelor's degree.
    [x] Offer in-state tuition at state universities for all immigrants, regardless of legal status, who meet state residency requirements.
    [x] Amnesty and a path to citizenship for all undocumented immigrants who have been here at least five years and who have committed no (real) crimes.
    [x] Free public education and health care to all children, regardless of legal status.
    [x] No change to immigration quotas for unskilled labor.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Yet Obama has deported more Illegal Immigrants than Bush ever did. Still don't get how this makes sense.
    Pres Obama didn't deport anyone. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement did. In addition, the increased deportation rate is due to a program started under Pres Bush II to ramp up deportations of fugitives and the "Secure Communities" program which simply deports arrested illegals instead of trying them in court (on a case by case basis of course). So I'm sure that hispanics, just like any other race of human being, have no issue with the worst of them being booted out. Do you?
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I would figure a union supporter like you would be against such things.
    Against what? Immigrants filling positions that no one else wants to do, or that because those immigrants have now left they are suggesting using criminals to fill those positions?

    I am against the criminals to fill positions part.

    I'm all for Immigrants doing work for farmers because I do realize that there is a need for farmers to have cheap labor. Profit margins for onion farmers can't be too extremely high, otherwise there would be far more onion farmers out there. They need to have this symbiosis between farmer and immigrant.

    I myself use to work in my cousins tobacco fields here in wisconsin. It is **** work. Back breaking, dirty, hot, repetitive work that no one really wants to do. I did it because I was 16 and wanted gas money, but the Mexicans that I did work with needed it.
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