View Poll Results: What changes should be done to our immigration policy

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  • Leave it as it is-some quotas based on countries of origin

    5 11.11%
  • do not change the laws but enforce them better

    10 22.22%
  • Restrict immigration to those with needed skills

    15 33.33%
  • restrict immigration to those able to provide for themselves

    11 24.44%
  • Have a complete moratorium on immigration for a period of years

    6 13.33%
  • Other

    17 37.78%
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Thread: Immigration reform

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Lawyers have a whole bag of rhetorical tricks. Calling any revelation about the treason of your Golden Calf idols a "conspiracy theory" is just a way to avoid discussion about the plutocratic parasitic pirates' schemes to pile up wealth.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    It makes no sense why America will not enforce its immigration laws. Is it illogical to think that, if there were terrorists who wished to enter this country, they could enter through America's southern border? The way these illegal aliens have entered America is an insult to not only those American citizens who waited to enter our nation legally, but those would-be citizens who are still waiting in line.
    Just so you know, the overwhelming majority of terrorists in the US have either been born here, or gotten into the country with valid passports. But don't let that stop your detachment from reality.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    And what did the "Native" Americans call this country we supposedly invaded? It was never a country, just an up-for-grads unowned territory occupied by Stone Age fugitives from evolution. All the tribes stole their land from previous tribes. They came in three waves. The first wave was driven into South America by the second wave, which was driven out by the third wave. The Whites were merely the Fourth Wave. If you want to find "native" Americans, defined as the first hominids here, you'd have to go to the Amazon jungle.

    Now of course, traitors have made us a colony of the UN. If we welcome this Fifth Wave without a fight, we deserve to become obsolete in our own country.
    So, what? You're saying that since the Natives had no centralized form of government, no real synergy between the various tribes, that Europeans had a right to come in and just take the land? This reminds me of an Eddie Izzard joke. And no, the tribes did not take their land from other tribes, at least not on a large scale. Most were happy to live in their little neck of the woods, and leave the others alone. Is you're "wave theory" part of historical fact? It's something I'm not aware of, but this seems wrong in light of the fact that the Inuit have lived in Canada for thousands of years, and have never been driven anywhere. But I'm uncomfortable with the whole idea that overpowering another group and grabbing their land is ok. This weird conservative idea only works here, but they won't apply that same logic to the Middle East, unless, of course, it's us going in and taking land, which thankfully hasn't been done, yet. The whole idea of 'manifest destiny' seems like a load in my book. What's wrong with everyone just staying where they are? My ancestors in this nation came here from Ireland, and I would have been just as happy if they had stayed there, potato famine and all. The idea of "grab all the land you can if you have the power to do so", is just another way to find a new group of people to repress.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Then how come their own countries are ratholes? They will only bring that rat culture here, growing more and more as the multicultie traitors hand over more of our power to them. An analysis that doesn't start with a false conclusion will reveal that they can't blame their oppressive ruling classes; the common people are just as corrupt and dysfunctional. They have had plenty of revolutions, which always wind up solving nothing, because the people themselves are that way and not victims who will behave right when set free. Don't be misled by how the timid first generation here acts; their descendants will bring us nothing but rats.
    This would be far more convincing if what you said had any basis in fact instead of xenophobic bias. Immigrants who are willing to cut ties with their home country and come here tend to be more intelligent, harder working, less likely to commit crime, and less likely to use welfare than the average native citizen. Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than natives. Their kids are more likely to break their law, but by the third or fourth generation crime rates are indistinguishable. If welfare consumption is an issue, why not restrict immigrants' use of welfare. Most states do not allow immigrants to obtain welfare for their first five years here. These people do not come out of "rat" cultures. They come from places lacking economic opportunity. The reasons for this lack of opportunity varies, but whatever it is, it does not prevent Immigrants from assimilating.

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/irb/irb_august2010.pdf

    http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/sit...ty%20(IPC).pdf
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    So, what? You're saying that since the Natives had no centralized form of government, no real synergy between the various tribes, that Europeans had a right to come in and just take the land? This reminds me of an Eddie Izzard joke. And no, the tribes did not take their land from other tribes, at least not on a large scale. Most were happy to live in their little neck of the woods, and leave the others alone. Is you're "wave theory" part of historical fact? It's something I'm not aware of, but this seems wrong in light of the fact that the Inuit have lived in Canada for thousands of years, and have never been driven anywhere. But I'm uncomfortable with the whole idea that overpowering another group and grabbing their land is ok. This weird conservative idea only works here, but they won't apply that same logic to the Middle East, unless, of course, it's us going in and taking land, which thankfully hasn't been done, yet. The whole idea of 'manifest destiny' seems like a load in my book. What's wrong with everyone just staying where they are? My ancestors in this nation came here from Ireland, and I would have been just as happy if they had stayed there, potato famine and all. The idea of "grab all the land you can if you have the power to do so", is just another way to find a new group of people to repress.
    Rather than refute your Pocahontas fantasy, experience here makes it seem better to just rest my case and you can rest yours. We'll just let the other debaters decide whether they want to believe what they have been told by the intellectual and moral authorities or listen to independent thought on history and ethics.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What is wrong with that is that the poster is using a blatant political standard of what it good for themselves as supposed ethical underpinnings to attack other political positions taken by others.
    It is just as ethical to stick up for yourself as it is to help defend others. Don't be inhibited by thinking that what is good for you can't be good for anyone else and therefore hurting yourself while helping others is more ethical. Objectivity does not mean applying a standard that dismisses any claim in your own self-interest as unfair bias. Objectivity is deficient if it doesn't include yourself in with "the others." The usual misleading definition of your gurus is unethically biased in favor of outsiders. So just because multiculties are for the others and hate their own doesn't make them morally superior for their supposed self-sacrifice. The truth is that they don't feel guilty, they only want to make the rest of us feel guilty and pay for that assigned guilt.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Even if it's all true, I don't see what difference it makes as to what our policy should be on immigration.

    This is no different than believing that many in poor communities believe that voting for Obama will get them more welfare. And if we're stupid enough to give welfare to illegal immigrants? We deserve exactly what we get.
    It's not "we". It's a corrupt party that then uses them for vote farming.



    And the two subjects are actually connected - the question is, if we import a large populace that would be dependent on the government, can we really be surprised that our government will quickly become an even more morbid, expensive, and unsustainable welfare state?

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's not "we". It's a corrupt party that then uses them for vote farming.
    Like the Republicans coming up with boogyman non-issues such as homosexual marriage and abortion in order to gain the Christian vote, the largest religion in the US. Originally, fundamentalist Christianity was against getting involved in politics. But this all changed in the 80's with Jerry Falwell and his Moral Majority. Since then, Christians have been duped into thinking that the Republican party is God's party, and that they represent Christianity, which, if anyone here has read the Bible, couldn't be farther from the truth.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    Like the Republicans coming up with boogyman non-issues such as homosexual marriage and abortion in order to gain the Christian vote, the largest religion in the US.
    these are not non-issues. And it is liberals who made them into issues.

    Since then, Christians have been duped into thinking that the Republican party is God's party, and that they represent Christianity, which, if anyone here has read the Bible, couldn't be farther from the truth.
    Well I tend to avoid absolutist statements like that, but agreed, the Republican party is not the avatar of Christianity in America. Sadly, neither are some of our churches.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    How many people in this country immigrated from Eastern European ratholes? Even Western European ratholes? This country wasn't founded by the cream of the crop.

    It says right on the statue of liberty - “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

    And what is wrong with multiculturalism? America is multicultural by definition. We're a nation of immigrants.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Then how come their own countries are ratholes? They will only bring that rat culture here, growing more and more as the multicultie traitors hand over more of our power to them. An analysis that doesn't start with a false conclusion will reveal that they can't blame their oppressive ruling classes; the common people are just as corrupt and dysfunctional. They have had plenty of revolutions, which always wind up solving nothing, because the people themselves are that way and not victims who will behave right when set free. Don't be misled by how the timid first generation here acts; their descendants will bring us nothing but rats.

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