View Poll Results: What changes should be done to our immigration policy

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  • Leave it as it is-some quotas based on countries of origin

    5 11.11%
  • do not change the laws but enforce them better

    10 22.22%
  • Restrict immigration to those with needed skills

    15 33.33%
  • restrict immigration to those able to provide for themselves

    11 24.44%
  • Have a complete moratorium on immigration for a period of years

    6 13.33%
  • Other

    17 37.78%
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Thread: Immigration reform

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Filling jobs with people in jail? That sounds a lot like slavery to me.
    The 13th Amendment allows slavery and indentured servitude as punishment for a crime. So yes, it is slavery, and that's ok.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Having educated people more than pays for itself.
    College graduates contribute almost half a million each to society. Replacing the dysfunctional and unattractive indentured servitude system with paid professional training would automatically get the best talent, unlike this childish, depressing, and insulting self-sacrifice we have now. Graduates like those would contribute over a million dollars each and would only cost about $200,000, creating a net gain on investment of $800,000 each. "Work hard now and only get paid for it four to twenty years from now" is dysfunctional; only Diplomaed Dumboes would fail to see that.
    This no-brainer conclusion is never allowed to come to consciousness because we are all brainwashed from childhood on that education only benefits the graduates, as if they were majoring in something like casino gambling (see the movie 21) and therefore they deserve to be punished for all the selfish rewards they will get later. The command given to us from above by the economic bullies, parasites who have no right to tell us what they want, is "To get a good job, get a good education." Notice that the plutocrats don't demand, "To do a good job, get a good education."

    As for the personal benefit you brag about, you're in denial about the consequences of sacrificing those years living miserably on part-time jobs. It's as if you could eat free at gourmet restaurants for the rest of your life if you spent four years living on nothing but bread and water. The permanent indigestion caused by the sacrificed years would ruin your enjoyment of the reward.

    Also, you have to rely all the time on the second-rate graduates you get from the indentured-servitude system. If you get cancer, you are going to die because only childish escapist freaks who don't earn a living until they are 30 years old are allowed to go into oncology. Excluding normal High IQs is the only reason cancer hasn't been cured.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by roflpublican View Post
    indeed, the days of the robber barons are gone, pay a living wage or you should NOT be able to operate a business in this country.
    We should quit romanticizing small private farms. That lifestyle went out with the 19th Century. If Old McDonald refuses to do the work himself or with his family, but instead makes his money through low wages, he should sell to corporate farms. I doubt if the Amish hire illegals and they seem to be doing all right for themselves, if the Harrison Ford movie Witness is realistic.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is one area where I strongly disagree with my party. I'm conservative. I was listening to Mark Levin on the radio, and normally I'm in agreement with his positions on other issues, but I was yelling at the radio today when he brought up the same points you are making about immigration.

    I have lived in Latin America, and I have strong family ties to Brazil. Latinos are not the social welfare boogeymen the right makes them out to be. The only thing that would lead you to believe that is ignorance and xenophobia.

    You don't think the Mexicans that are in this country work hard? Give me a break. Most of them work harder than any of us on this thread, and they get paid jack to do it. Yeah, they use a lot of social services. You want to guess why? Because they're POOR. They're first generation immigrants who literally walked here or floated over on a raft. So what?

    I respect their dedication. I immigrated from Sweden legally, we flew first class. When I lived in Miami, I had friends from Cuba who literally floated over in a rubber raft, which is highly dangerous.

    Latinos, as a group, are good, good people. They have strong families, conservative social and religious values, and they believe in working their butts off. They're the perfect constituency for the Republicans if we'd stop alienating them by acting like a bunch of scared bigots.

    And finally, of course they will learn English. Like I said, they have strong families. If you meet these families, 99% of the time the parents are doing everything they can to make sure their kids go to English speaking schools and learn English. Why wouldn't they? They want their kids to succeed.

    As for the parents learning English.... well, you try living abroad for a few years. I've done it. Learning another language is ****ing hard. It takes years to do.
    Then how come their own countries are ratholes? They will only bring that rat culture here, growing more and more as the multicultie traitors hand over more of our power to them. An analysis that doesn't start with a false conclusion will reveal that they can't blame their oppressive ruling classes; the common people are just as corrupt and dysfunctional. They have had plenty of revolutions, which always wind up solving nothing, because the people themselves are that way and not victims who will behave right when set free. Don't be misled by how the timid first generation here acts; their descendants will bring us nothing but rats.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    It's funny to me that Hispanics are credited with giving President Obama his victory. Something I find even more interesting is the fact that, most Hispanics are Catholic, which is traditionally conservative, yet these immigrants voted not with their religion, but with their immediate world view. They're not worried about homosexual marriage or abortion, they're more worried about how they're going to survive. They're more worried about the needful things in life: food, shelter, medicine. But I seriously doubt there was enough Hispanic immigrants voting Democrat to give Obama an overarching victory over Romney. Personally, I think that's due more to the fact that America is starting to be more progressive overall, and the traditional conservative views are losing ground. But that's another story. Just remember this: if you're not Native American, you're an immigrant too.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you should pay a wage sufficient to obtain the quantity and quality of labor you need. what is a living wage? some artificial bit of crap that the left howls for that puts american companies at a competitive disadvantage
    You conveniently omit the Capitaliban's whining about making a living profit sufficient to feed their degenerate and insatiable way of living. Their corrupt and treasonous greed also drives them to make trade deals that give the leaders of countries hosting their sweatshop outsourcing a guaranteed number of immigration permits to our country, if you want to call it ours when you obviously think that the majority of Americans are lazy and overpaid and not your fellow Americans.
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    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    You conveniently omit the Capitaliban's whining about making a living profit sufficient to feed their degenerate and insatiable way of living. Their corrupt and treasonous greed also drives them to make trade deals that give the leaders of countries hosting their sweatshop outsourcing a guaranteed number of immigration permits to our country, if you want to call it ours when you obviously think that the majority of Americans are lazy and overpaid and not your fellow Americans.
    This sounds like stuff for the conspiracy theory section

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    It's funny to me that Hispanics are credited with giving President Obama his victory. Something I find even more interesting is the fact that, most Hispanics are Catholic, which is traditionally conservative, yet these immigrants voted not with their religion, but with their immediate world view. They're not worried about homosexual marriage or abortion, they're more worried about how they're going to survive. They're more worried about the needful things in life: food, shelter, medicine. But I seriously doubt there was enough Hispanic immigrants voting Democrat to give Obama an overarching victory over Romney. Personally, I think that's due more to the fact that America is starting to be more progressive overall, and the traditional conservative views are losing ground. But that's another story. Just remember this: if you're not Native American, you're an immigrant too.
    And what did the "Native" Americans call this country we supposedly invaded? It was never a country, just an up-for-grads unowned territory occupied by Stone Age fugitives from evolution. All the tribes stole their land from previous tribes. They came in three waves. The first wave was driven into South America by the second wave, which was driven out by the third wave. The Whites were merely the Fourth Wave. If you want to find "native" Americans, defined as the first hominids here, you'd have to go to the Amazon jungle.

    Now of course, traitors have made us a colony of the UN. If we welcome this Fifth Wave without a fight, we deserve to become obsolete in our own country.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    What's wrong with that? Multiculties and imported citizens support this betrayal because they think they are the right people voting the right way, etc.
    What is wrong with that is that the poster is using a blatant political standard of what it good for themselves as supposed ethical underpinnings to attack other political positions taken by others.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    This sounds like stuff for the conspiracy theory section
    Lawyers have a whole bag of rhetorical tricks. Calling any revelation about the treason of your Golden Calf idols a "conspiracy theory" is just a way to avoid discussion about the plutocratic parasitic pirates' schemes to pile up wealth.
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    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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