View Poll Results: What changes should be done to our immigration policy

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  • Leave it as it is-some quotas based on countries of origin

    5 11.11%
  • do not change the laws but enforce them better

    10 22.22%
  • Restrict immigration to those with needed skills

    15 33.33%
  • restrict immigration to those able to provide for themselves

    11 24.44%
  • Have a complete moratorium on immigration for a period of years

    6 13.33%
  • Other

    17 37.78%
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Thread: Immigration reform

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by roflpublican View Post
    i'd prefer we test their intelligence/work ethic in some way too =/.
    OK but only after they pass my panel.
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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    OK but only after they pass my panel.
    Immigration reform-images-jpg
    ^you must be 45% more attractive than this to enter the country, if not then don't pass go, don't collect $200.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you should pay a wage sufficient to obtain the quantity and quality of labor you need.
    management should purchase labor based on economic demand
    allowing the low end labor market to be flooded with undocumented illegals provides a massive supply of labor to fill that limited domestic demand for unskilled work
    as with all things, when the supply is abundant then the price for that abundant good or service - in this example, LABOR - declines
    and management reaps larger profits due to the lower cost of labor ... which low cost is present because of the government's consent to the illegals performing such work (by not adequately enforcing the immigration laws)

    what is a living wage? some artificial bit of crap that the left howls for that puts american companies at a competitive disadvantage
    a living wage squire, is that income which a worker would realize from full time employment, sufficient to provide for his family without having to rely on government welfare
    where that income becomes equal or less than what the employee would be able to realize from welfare, he no longer has a rational incentive to sell his labor - it then becomes an irrational decision to work
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    management should purchase labor based on economic demand
    allowing the low end labor market to be flooded with undocumented illegals provides a massive supply of labor to fill that limited domestic demand for unskilled work
    as with all things, when the supply is abundant then the price for that abundant good or service - in this example, LABOR - declines
    and management reaps larger profits due to the lower cost of labor ... which low cost is present because of the government's consent to the illegals performing such work (by not adequately enforcing the immigration laws)


    a living wage squire, is that income which a worker would realize from full time employment, sufficient to provide for his family without having to rely on government welfare
    where that income becomes equal or less than what the employee would be able to realize from welfare, he no longer has a rational incentive to sell his labor - it then becomes an irrational decision to work
    the market should set wages--if you want a wage sufficient to live on-have the skills sufficient to earn such a wage

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the market should set wages--
    that's what i said
    demand

    if you want a wage sufficient to live on-have the skills sufficient to earn such a wage
    and for those with the aptitude to do so, i agree with you
    but the playing field has been made unlevel by the government's tolerance of undocumented illegal workers
    so, instead of competing against other low skill Americans, they are competing against the swollen ranks of low skill undocumented illegal workers
    let me offer a scenario which may allow you to relate to their plight
    let's assume that you no longer have any wealth and that for your family's living, they rely upon your earnings as an attorney
    however, the government has opened the door to all the world's legal practitioners, flooding your industry with new lawyers willing to perform legal services for peanuts
    your family's well-being would be severely diminished, not because you are a ****ty, unskilled lawyer, but because you are now having to reduce the fees you charge to a point that it is barely profitable for you to even keep your practice open
    there are only two differences between the real plight of low skill Americans and the scenario i have provided for your review. your industry requires high skills, which poses a barrier of entry to those without those skills, and two, your industry is not faced with the horde of illegal competition to which the unskilled American worker is and has been subject
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that's what i said
    demand


    and for those with the aptitude to do so, i agree with you
    but the playing field has been made unlevel by the government's tolerance of undocumented illegal workers
    so, instead of competing against other low skill Americans, they are competing against the swollen ranks of low skill undocumented illegal workers
    let me offer a scenario which may allow you to relate to their plight
    let's assume that you no longer have any wealth and that for your family's living, they rely upon your earnings as an attorney
    however, the government has opened the door to all the world's legal practitioners, flooding your industry with new lawyers willing to perform legal services for peanuts
    your family's well-being would be severely diminished, not because you are a ****ty, unskilled lawyer, but because you are now having to reduce the fees you charge to a point that it is barely profitable for you to even keep your practice open
    there are only two differences between the real plight of low skill Americans and the scenario i have provided for your review. your industry requires high skills, which poses a barrier of entry to those without those skills, and two, your industry is not faced with the horde of illegal competition to which the unskilled American worker is and has been subject
    I'd fine companies that use illegals extremely heavily
    if people didn't hire them there would be far less here

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I'd fine companies that use illegals extremely heavily
    if people didn't hire them there would be far less here
    Your republican friends have always refused to do that...they love the cheap labor...Reagan especially loved it.

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Your republican friends have always refused to do that...they love the cheap labor...Reagan especially loved it.
    both parties love it

    dems love the votes, business owners love cheap labor

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    both parties love it

    dems love the votes, business owners love cheap labor
    agreed

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    Re: Immigration reform

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    both parties love it

    dems love the votes, business owners love cheap labor
    you must not practice immigration law, otherwise you would realize that undocumented illegal aliens are not eligible to vote in USA elections
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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