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Thread: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

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    Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Since it was learned Puerto Rico voted Tuesday in support of statehood, to my surprise many here seem opposed to allowing them to become the 51st sate. I'm sure we all realize America started out as just 13 states on the East Coast and today we have 50 states from the Atlantic the the Pacific, the Bering Sea to the middle of the South Pacific.

    My question: If you had been around at the time would you have opposed the Western Expansion and all the states being added to the union since 1776? In hindsight do you think adding 37 states to the original 13 was a bad idea? If you would have supported western expansion but do not support allowing Puerto Rico to become the 51st state, why the difference?
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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Comparing Puerto Rican statehood to Western expansion isn't exactly a favorable comparison. No one would die and no wars would be fought if we made Puerto Rico a state tomorrow.
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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    I would not have, of course, I think we should have annexed all of Mexico in 1848, instead of just the top half.

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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Westward expansion was based on murdering nearly the entire native population. That is utterly incomparable to Puerto Rico today, in which the people have willingly chosen to become a state.

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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I would not have, of course, I think we should have annexed all of Mexico in 1848, instead of just the top half.
    If we had not alot of us would not be here to talk about it.
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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Westward expansion was based on murdering nearly the entire native population. That is utterly incomparable to Puerto Rico today, in which the people have willingly chosen to become a state.
    So you're actually saying supporting Puerto Rico statehood is PREFERRED on ethical grounds more than adding most of the 37 added since 1776, right?
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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Hind sight makes it all to easy to decide now however at the time I am sure some citizens were against some of the expansions and perhaps with good reason. Personally I do not feel adding Puerto Rico is necessarily beneficial to the rest of the country right now and may never be. If Puerto Rico becomes a state it will immediately become an additional money drain on our already struggling economy. Articles I have read state that PR is over 50+ billion in debt and if they become a state they will be granted over another 50+ billion for infrastructure and government agency improvements just to set them on par with the rest of the states. So as a tax paying american I must wonder what exactly my money is doing for my or my fellow american. It sounds like more being spend with little to no return for current states.

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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I would not have, of course, I think we should have annexed all of Mexico in 1848, instead of just the top half.
    I still favor that idea, but using the census data. Every ten years we calculate the percentage of the former Mexican population now permanently within our borders and adjust our southern border accordingly, soon we will have the Panama canal back. ;-)
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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    There is a difference, though. "Back then" a state has demonstrate it was worthy - ie beneficial - to be a state rather than a territory.

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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Other than 800,000 people going on food stamps and government welfare, plus the gzillion federal laws landing on us and the people and businesses of PR, what do WE gain if PR becomes a state?

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