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Thread: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Hind sight makes it all to easy to decide now however at the time I am sure some citizens were against some of the expansions and perhaps with good reason. Personally I do not feel adding Puerto Rico is necessarily beneficial to the rest of the country right now and may never be. If Puerto Rico becomes a state it will immediately become an additional money drain on our already struggling economy. Articles I have read state that PR is over 50+ billion in debt and if they become a state they will be granted over another 50+ billion for infrastructure and government agency improvements just to set them on par with the rest of the states. So as a tax paying american I must wonder what exactly my money is doing for my or my fellow american. It sounds like more being spend with little to no return for current states.
    I think there is huge confusion over the fiscal ramifications over Puerto Rico statehood. Unless I'm mistaken, switching PR's status from a US territory to the 51st state will have no fiscal impact on the rest of the country except minor costs of sending their new congressional delegation to Washington. In fact, the US treasury is possibly benefited because right now their federal taxes stay in Puerto Rico and could have to start being sent to Washington. Contrary to what seems to be a false assumption, Puerto Rico is NOT in essence a foreign country. They are already a part of the US and its financial burden is no different than if it were a state expect if they were a state they'd have to send their federal taxes to DC, which they don't do now.
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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think there is huge confusion over the fiscal ramifications over Puerto Rico statehood. Unless I'm mistaken, switching PR's status from a US territory to the 51st state will have no fiscal impact on the rest of the country except minor costs of sending their new congressional delegation it Washington. In fact, the US treasury is possibly benefited because right now their federal taxes stay in Puerto Rico and could have to start being sent to Washington. Contrary to what seems to be a false assumption, Puerto Rico is NOT in essence a foreign country. They are already a part of the US and its financial burden is no different than if it were a state expect if they were a state they'd have to send their federal taxes to DC, which they don't do now.

    I believe they were saying that PR's current federal tax revenue is simply not meeting demands, hence why they are 50+ billion in debt, and to raise them to a statehood standard with infrastructure and government agencies (police, courts, ect) it would require and additional federal injection of funds of 50+ billion. In short it would be just one more red ink state for the federal budget where federal tax revenue does not meet federal spending.

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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Since it was learned Puerto Rico voted Tuesday in support of statehood, to my surprise many here seem opposed to allowing them to become the 51st sate. I'm sure we all realize America started out as just 13 states on the East Coast and today we have 50 states from the Atlantic the the Pacific, the Bering Sea to the middle of the South Pacific.

    My question: If you had been around at the time would you have opposed the Western Expansion and all the states being added to the union since 1776? In hindsight do you think adding 37 states to the original 13 was a bad idea? If you would have supported western expansion but do not support allowing Puerto Rico to become the 51st state, why the difference?
    I don't the name of the fallacy, but just because someone supports a policy, it does not imply that he supports it beyond a certain limit. Puerto Rico is a third-world culture. If you were suggesting Canada, I'd say extend the policy, provided of course that the Canadians asked to join our union.
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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Hind sight makes it all to easy to decide now however at the time I am sure some citizens were against some of the expansions and perhaps with good reason. Personally I do not feel adding Puerto Rico is necessarily beneficial to the rest of the country right now and may never be. If Puerto Rico becomes a state it will immediately become an additional money drain on our already struggling economy. Articles I have read state that PR is over 50+ billion in debt and if they become a state they will be granted over another 50+ billion for infrastructure and government agency improvements just to set them on par with the rest of the states. So as a tax paying american I must wonder what exactly my money is doing for my or my fellow american. It sounds like more being spend with little to no return for current states.
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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    On the contrary, I think we should break all ties with Puerto Rico.
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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I believe they were saying that PR's current federal tax revenue is simply not meeting demands, hence why they are 50+ billion in debt, and to raise them to a statehood standard with infrastructure and government agencies (police, courts, ect) it would require and additional federal injection of funds of 50+ billion. In short it would be just one more red ink state for the federal budget where federal tax revenue does not meet federal spending.
    But PR is not Haiti. As a US territory they already get help from the federal government, no different than the help they would get as a state. The only fiscal difference is they'd start sending their taxes in Washington like the rest of us, at least in theory.
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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I believe they were saying that PR's current federal tax revenue is simply not meeting demands, hence why they are 50+ billion in debt, and to raise them to a statehood standard with infrastructure and government agencies (police, courts, ect) it would require and additional federal injection of funds of 50+ billion. In short it would be just one more red ink state for the federal budget where federal tax revenue does not meet federal spending.
    Their economy is in the tank and they have 28% that now work for their gov't. They are in need of some cash so statehood is looking like a godsend to them.

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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    I don't the name of the fallacy, but just because someone supports a policy, it does not imply that he supports it beyond a certain limit. Puerto Rico is a third-world culture. If you were suggesting Canada, I'd say extend the policy, provided of course that the Canadians asked to join our union.

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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    But PR is not Haiti. As a US territory they already get help from the federal government, no different than the help they would get as a state. The only fiscal difference is they'd start sending their taxes in Washington like the rest of us, at least in theory.

    Im not sure if the bolded part is correct.

    Why does Puerto Rico want statehood, anyway?

    For one thing, becoming a state would allow them to benefit from an extra $20 billion a year in federal funds

    This makes it sound as if territories and states are not equal in all things federally funded.

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    Re: Would you have opposed Western Exansion, Alaska and Hawaii statehood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Im not sure if the bolded part is correct.

    Why does Puerto Rico want statehood, anyway?




    This makes it sound as if territories and states are not equal in all things federally funded.
    Thanks. I'll read over it. When I lived in a US territory I was under the impression the Federal Government was Santa Claus without being a state but if we'd become a state some funding would be reduced, namely a new requirement to send federal taxes to Washington.
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