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    Re: 51st State?

    I don't think Puerto Rico statehood has anything to do with pursuing more diversity. The fact is Puerto Rico has been in part of the United States since the 1800s. The people there are US citizens and have expressed a desire to have their territory, which is already a part of the United States become a state.

    I think people are getting hung up on the differences and commonalities with statehood vs. territory. The United States of America is the country of which we're all a part of. States are subsections of The United States of America. Washington, DC is a subsection of The United States of America. Finally the US territories are subsections of The United States of America. Everybody born an any of these subsections are equally American citizens. The only difference is the role of state governments vs. territorial and district governments in the US Constitution, which has absolutely nothing to do with the status of the people living there.

    -States send US Senators to Washington while the territories do not.
    -States send Representatives to the House while the territories do not. However in efforts to be more inclusive without changing the constitution the district and the territories eventually were allowed to send 'delegates' to Congress who do everything a Representative to Congress does (chair and serve on committees, introduce bills, argue for or against bills on the floor, conduct hearings, etc.) The only thing they can't do is vote on bills in the full house (but they can in committee) and they represent their whole territory regardless of population, not congressional districts.
    -States can send Electoral College Delegates to Washington to select the POTUS.
    -States can participate in amending the US Constitution.
    -States get their own star on the US Flag.

    Territories have the equivalent of state legislatures, a Governor and Lt. Governor, their territory's National Guard that gets called up and sent the Afghanistan, etc. US currency is used. The people have US Passports. People there can appeal their court cases to the US Supreme Court. Its just like living in a state as far as being American goes. The only difference for the people is statesiders can vote for President but only because of the Electoral College and the fact that all of the state governments eventually gave their citizens the authority to vote for President when it was originally done by the state legislatures. Also important to understand, if someone from one of the 50 states moves to a territory they become residents of the territory and no longer can vote for President.
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    Re: 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Three, it will be hilarious to see people freak out about "Oh sweet Jesus, we'll have to reorganize the stars on the flag!"

    But it would be interesting to see if we actually do that or not.
    Should we grant all our territories statehood? "Territory" sounds a little too arrogant & controlling, anyways, don't you think?

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    Re: 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Should we grant all our territories statehood? "Territory" sounds a little too arrogant & controlling, anyways, don't you think?
    How many "territories" do we have?

    Yes, I say we do, the US having territories is an imperialist anachronism. Of course, it's up to the residents of those territories whether they want it or not.


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    Re: 51st State?

    We support them militarily, we give them rights, but they only have to pay some taxes (no federal income tax unless they make their money outside of Puerto Rico). I see this as a win win, because we already spend federal money there, it would just be another source of income.
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    Re: 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    How many "territories" do we have?

    Yes, I say we do, the US having territories is an imperialist anachronism. Of course, it's up to the residents of those territories whether they want it or not.
    Looks like 13 in all. Perhaps we should extend offers of statehood to all of these, or cut them loose. I hate imerialist anachronisms.

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    Re: 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    If Puerto Rico says 'Yes' to Statehood then I guess we should honor it.
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    Re: 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If the people of Puerto Rico want to be a state, I fully support them. It should be their choice IMO.
    Why isn't it our choice?
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    Re: 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Looks like 13 in all. Perhaps we should extend offers of statehood to all of these, or cut them loose. I hate imerialist anachronisms.
    I count 12, and the Wake Islands only have 300 total people, it is simply an air force base.

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    In fact most territories besides Puerto Rico, Guam, U.S. Virgin Islands, and American Samoa are private or small populations with only military inhabitants.
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    Re: 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    How many "territories" do we have?

    Yes, I say we do, the US having territories is an imperialist anachronism. Of course, it's up to the residents of those territories whether they want it or not.


    Unincorporated organized territories

    Guam (since 1898): also the home of a U.S. Naval Base and a U.S. Air Force Base.
    Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands: formerly a United Nations Trust Territory under the administration of the United States, it established itself as a U.S. Commonwealth in 1978.
    Puerto Rico (since 1898): established as a U.S. Commonwealth in 1952.
    United States Virgin Islands (since 1917): these were purchased by the U.S. from Denmark.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territo..._United_States

    And BTW, there's nothing particularly new about US territories becoming states. Its be done 37 times since the country was started when we only had 13.
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    Re: 51st State?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    How many "territories" do we have?

    Yes, I say we do, the US having territories is an imperialist anachronism. Of course, it's up to the residents of those territories whether they want it or not.
    It's only anachronistic in the fact that America's more explicit imperialist past is long since behind her, but it in of itself is not anachronistic for the United States.
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