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    Re: Do any conservatives agree with this op ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    If the republicans go the way of the tea party it will be the death of the party, and I could see the more moderates split off in another party. As a liberal this would please me greatly.
    i'll bet it would please you.. the Democratic party would own the entire government for the forseeable future if that were to occur.

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    It's such a shame that the Tea Party is associated with the birther/gay hating/rape is a Godsend crowd. It didn't start that way and certainly wasn't meant to be that way.
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    Re: Do any conservatives agree with this op ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I agree ... Romney came as close as he did because of his former more moderate stances on issues. it was his pandering to the tea party base that created the disrespect from independents and undecideds.

    Romney ... should have stayed true to himself and told the tea party to shove it imho.
    it wouldn't have done any good.
    had he stayed "moderate", he wouldn't have survived the primaries... and we'd be talking about a different Republican losing to Obama.

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    Re: Do any conservatives agree with this op ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    It's such a shame that the Tea Party is associated with the birther/gay hating/rape is a Godsend crowd. It didn't start that way and certainly wasn't meant to be that way.
    that's true.


    it was never my bag, but the Tea Party seemed to start off on the right foot.. and was ok until it was co-opted.

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    Re: Do any conservatives agree with this op ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i'm not sure ratcheting up social conservatism is going to do the GOP any justice.... the whole responsibility, self reliance, and nuclear family values things isn't a good seller anymore

    i'm telling you, they have to promise more entitlements and pander to non-whites and women.... the days of winning on ideology and principle are over, you gotta bribe people for votes in todays America.
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    Re: Do any conservatives agree with this op ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's true.


    it was never my bag, but the Tea Party seemed to start off on the right foot.. and was ok until it was co-opted.
    More like hijacked.
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    Re: Do any conservatives agree with this op ed?

    Well I don't recall abortion or gay marriage being discussed by the tea party. They started with singular focus which was less govt and more freedom. Immigration did come up as a rule of law issue / cost to government issue. It's the opposition to that conservative view that raises socially liberal views in a negative way on to tea party / Republican candidates bolts termed by two stupid statements on the crime of rape.

    With the support of a willing media you can accomplish that quite easily.

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    Re: Do any conservatives agree with this op ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it wouldn't have done any good.
    had he stayed "moderate", he wouldn't have survived the primaries... and we'd be talking about a different Republican losing to Obama.
    In a sense the GOP primary was the seeds of his own destruction. He had to tack so hard to the right to get the nomination that he got major attacks on flip flopping, and then he had to tack hard to the middle that it merely reinforced the belief he has no ideological core. In a way the GOP really is losing the election in their primaries. For instance, if they had kept Santorum, this race would have been over in August. They need a moderate in the general, but their primaries demand ideological purity. You can't do that. The GOP has to fix how it does its primaries or this will happen again. Or they'll get someone like Santorum and see the youth vote AND the millennials go 95% against them. That's instant-lose. The GOP has to change. The question is will they go more towards the right to move towards the big tent center? From what I'm hearing, many of the loudest GOP want to go even more to the right, where we have people like Jeb and Rubio saying the opposite. It will be interesting to see who wins that debate.
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    Re: Do any conservatives agree with this op ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    In a sense the GOP primary was the seeds of his own destruction. He had to tack so hard to the right to get the nomination that he got major attacks on flip flopping, and then he had to tack hard to the middle that it merely reinforced the belief he has no ideological core. In a way the GOP really is losing the election in their primaries. For instance, if they had kept Santorum, this race would have been over in August. They need a moderate in the general, but their primaries demand ideological purity. You can't do that. The GOP has to fix how it does its primaries or this will happen again. Or they'll get someone like Santorum and see the youth vote AND the millennials go 95% against them. That's instant-lose. The GOP has to change. The question is will they go more towards the right to move towards the big tent center? From what I'm hearing, many of the loudest GOP want to go even more to the right, where we have people like Jeb and Rubio saying the opposite. It will be interesting to see who wins that debate.
    I think they'll go to the right a bit for the next cycle (it's midterms and they'll play to local constituents)

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    Re: Do any conservatives agree with this op ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I think they'll go to the right a bit for the next cycle (it's midterms and they'll play to local constituents)
    Perhaps. We'll see if Obama keeps his political machine operating to prevent another 2010. Something tells me he's learned his lesson and won't let that happen again.
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