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    Re: Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I have no idea what that means.
    If your Congressman is lazy and too obstinate to work with the administration to pull the ox out of the ditch... raise hell.

    You say, "Obama is divisive".. You are a man.. you don't have to be "divided"..

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    Re: Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

    I'm not divided at all. As a conservative, I'm 100 percent against Obama and everything he stands for. Obama is a socialist. I want my congressman to dig in and fight Obama every step of the way, because this was a great country, and we don't need "hope and change."

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    If your Congressman is lazy and too obstinate to work with the administration to pull the ox out of the ditch... raise hell.

    You say, "Obama is divisive".. You are a man.. you don't have to be "divided"..

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    Re: Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

    so much of this depends on whether or not congress will work with him. if there's room for negotiation, he'll have more success. if congress holds the line against everything he wants to do, less will get done.

    part of it is on him to establish a better dialogue with congress. however, during his first term, the majority in the house operated under a mission statement of blocking everything he wanted to do and making him a one term president. it's very difficult to deliver with a congress like that.

    my guess is that the pressure is higher to work together now, so more will get done. everything he promised, though? probably not.

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    Re: Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Barack Obama is the most divisive figure in America. At the end of the day, we're in exactly the same place we were two weeks ago. Republican/Tea Party controlled House, Democratic Senate, and Obama.

    Same input, same output. More gridlock in Washington. More bickering, and nothing getting done for 2 years until the next senatorial races.

    No we aren't. We now know that most Americans don't agree with the old, rich, religious, white guy GOP platform. We also know that women get to maintain ownership of their vaginas for another 4 years. We know that the Tea Party drains life out of the GOP. We now know that unless the GOP begins to champion mainstream positions it's going to continue to suck hind tit. America is changing and the GOP is out of touch. The election proves it.










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    Re: Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

    Liberals say the same thing every time they win. And every time, the Republican base just gets more energized, more fired up, and we give you a George W Bush for your trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    No we aren't. We now know that most Americans don't agree with the old, rich, religious, white guy GOP platform. We also know that women get to maintain ownership of their vaginas for another 4 years. We know that the Tea Party drains life out of the GOP. We now know that unless the GOP begins to champion mainstream positions it's going to continue to suck hind tit. America is changing and the GOP is out of touch. The election proves it.

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    Re: Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    By "not going far enough" it seems you're suggesting he did not push far enough down the Democratic/Liberal mindset on those issues.

    I'm not quite sure if that's wise or being a good steward of the country. You had a 2% popular vote victory with even lower turnout then the year before...hardly a mandate of "we are gungho behind your ideology 100%, push push push". You have the American people revote in a split Congress, allowing the Republicans to keep the house that money originates from.

    It seems to me that the little parts of his speech talking about reaching across the aisle is what needs to be true in the best interest of the country.

    On the Democratic side, the Obama administration and the Democrats in the Senate need to look at the Republican party in the house TODAY. NOT looking at Republicans 20 years ago, in another time and an entirely different complex, and figure out what it is they say they want and desire. They need to show good faith attempts to find bipartisan solutions, NOT simply offer up a few token scraps as a means of "bipartisanship". And I say "Good Faith" attempts at BIPARTISANSHIP for a reason...actual attempts undertaken with the express purpose and intent of gaining REPUBLICAN votes and support to build a consensus on something, not taking moderating steps to shore up one's own party members who won't even agree with you and attempting to present that as "reaching across the aisle". Winning over the more moderate people in your own PARTY is not "bi-partisanship" as there's no second party there to make the "bi" appropriate. There's no aisle you're reaching across. That's you just dealing with being so far to the left that you have to reach to just cover your own side of the aisle.

    On the flip side, Republicans in the House need to see that the American People ALSO want them to compromise as well. They voted the President back in narrowly, and added additional people in the senate largely at the expense of Abortion views. They need to approach honest, good faith attempts at bi-partisanship in a similar honest way. They need to look at the President's plans and instead of saying "how can we stop it" say "is there any way we can accomplish the goal, but in a method that is more in line with how we view things but is able to be agreed upon by both sides".

    The American People are pissed off at our government....and yet has elected it back into power in basically the same way. It seem's the message to me is clear....we either want Gridlock when both sides are trying to push their "Do it primarily in our ideological way of get bent", or we want both sides to find a way to actually successfully compromise.

    SUCCESSFULLY compromise. That's the key. Compromise is not "You win a little and lose a little, I win a little and lose a little". That's dumb compromise, and it's not going to work for any side. True compromise is looking at a situation, determining the goals and desires both sides have with said situation, and then trying to find the common ground that is a "win" for both in terms of their goals and going with that.

    If Obama decides to continue to try and push as left as his own party can allow him to go on most domestic things then the Republicans in the house are likely to push back in a similar fashion, and we're going to see next to nothing done. And frankly...based on the election, I think that's a result more welcomed by the American people than Obama OR the Republicans succeeding at going as left or as right as they are feasibly able to go.
    What form would such compromise take?
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    Re: Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Liberals say the same thing every time they win. And every time, the Republican base just gets more energized, more fired up, and we give you a George W Bush for your trouble.
    Two things:

    Thing one - I am an Independent.

    Thing two - I voted for Gary Johnson.

    Thing three - You need to calm the **** down.










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    Re: Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

    That's actually three things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Two things:

    Thing one - I am an Independent.

    Thing two - I voted for Gary Johnson.

    Thing three - You need to calm the **** down.

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    Re: Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Liberals say the same thing every time they win. And every time, the Republican base just gets more energized, more fired up, and we give you a George W Bush for your trouble.
    I thought Scalia gave us the Shrub? Yes, he did.
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    Re: Will Obama live up to his victory speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    It doesn't matter whether you’re black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American or young or old or rich or poor, able, disabled, gay or straight, you can make it here in America if you’re willing to try. - Barack Obama after his re-election on November 6, 2012

    That's not divisive.

    Yep I always literally laugh when people say he is the most divisive when the exact opposite is true and its what got him elected, twice now.

    Not at you TPD but just in general.


    I most certainly dont agree with all the stuff Obama and this admin has done by any means but he is not "divisive" to the objective, bipartisan and moderate populations.

    Now he is divisive to those that were already divisive themselves and partisan themselves, they have a big influence and are the biggest and loudest crybabies lol. But guess what, in general the majority of america doesnt want those people, we are done with nut job loud mouth extremists.

    I hope this mantra carries on and it wakes some people up.

    AGain you dont have to fully agree with obama, i certainly dont but the objective/honesty/moderate/bi-partisan train is loading up right now! Maybe you dont want to be in Obamas car and thats fine, pick another car more YOUR style thats what makes us america, but you better damn well get your ass on the train or you are going to be left behind.

    IMO if you think he is "the most divisive president ever" which is a sound bite i hear here and there, the problem is you, you need to look in the mirror because the train is passing you by my friend, you are too far left or too far right and im guessing america is done with that obnoxious, ignorant, selfish, blow hard, inane, nonsensical bull****.

    watch your feet bitches! Cause here comes the train, try to fix/help AMERICA and stop worrying about you own personally little locker of nonsense.

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