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End United States Discrimination against the world?

Should the United States grant equal rights to others of the world?


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Have you considered the economic consequences of all this ?
The economic consequences are nothing more than lies by pro-illegals and globalist scum. Forcing companies to hire legal workers will not drive the price of tomatoes to 5 dollars a pound.Contrary to popular belief labor is only a small percentage of the cost and nor do illegals make up most the agricultural and other 'low' skilled jobs.


Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper
More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.

You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.

The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.

The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor — whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born — represents only a sliver of the retail price.

Consider those apples — Washington's signature contribution to the American food basket.

At a local QFC, Red Delicious apples go for about 99 cents a pound. Of that, only about 7 cents represents the cost of labor, said Tom Schotzko, a recently retired extension economist at Washington State University. The rest represents the grower's other expenses, warehousing and shipping fees, and the retailer's markup.

And that's for one of the most labor-intensive crops in the state: It takes 150 to 190 hours of labor to grow and harvest an acre of apples, Schotzko said, compared to four hours for an acre of potatoes and 1 ½ hours for an acre of wheat.

The labor-intensive nature of many crops is a key reason agriculture continues to rely on illegal workers. A report by Jeffrey Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center who has long studied immigration trends, estimates that 247,000 illegal immigrants were employed as "miscellaneous agricultural workers" last year — only 3.4 percent of the nation's 7.2 million illegal workers, according to Pew statistics, but 29 percent of all workers in that job category.


But, I do like the response and some of the ideas.
Conservatives and liberals must work together.....and maybe they do, and I do not know about it..
I especially love the ID/driver's license requirement. It hampers illegals without actually requiring anyone to verify someone's immigration status and pro-illegal scum can't falsely claim those laws are racist or racially profile since the ID/driver's license requirement applies to everyone.
 
I say yes. We need to blow the whole system up so we can start over again. And when we start over, I don't want New York and Texas to be in the same country ever again.

The balance of victory for Obama was Hispanic/Latino voters and those supporting the belief that the United States should open its borders and grant citizenship and full benefits/entitlements to anyone who comes here.

The people have voted and expressed their will for this.

Should the United States grant the will of the voters and open our borders and grant equal rights and benefits Americans have with all others of the world?


OOPS>>>>
Use IDK/OTHER as "NO TO ALL OF THE ABOVE."[/
 
There is little border limitation between Mexico and the United States in relation to drug cartels. It seems clear that the voters have spoken and that is for offering citizenship to anyone from Mexico who comes here. It would seem obviously immoral to make the standard for that being only those Mexicans willing to risk their lives in border crossing and only Mexicans willing to break American laws, plus all the expenses of border patrols and fences.

Voters voted to allow Mexican's citizen and full rights and entitlements. How is it not immoral to required risking death, requiring breaking law and making this available only to young adults capable of border crossings?

Granting USA citizenship to Mexican citizens is the will of the voters. Either you accept democracy's outcome or not.

Since doing so only for Mexicans is grotesques ethnic bigotry and accordingly should be offered to all peoples and nations of the world, unless you believe Americans voted for a national policy of bigotry.

Is offering statehood to Puerto Rico some political decision in relation to Marco Rubio and that a majority of P.R's in Florida voted Republican? That certainly would be corrupt and immoral a reason to discriminate against other Latinos.

There was no vote on allowing Mexicans to cross the border and become citizens. Are you saying that because Obama won? I don't think I know what you mean. :confused:
 
No to all of the above. Not only should the borders be closed, the ones who are here illegally should be deported. There's a system for legal immigration, if they feel that they are so important that they're above our laws, they don't need to be here.
 
The balance of victory for Obama was Hispanic/Latino voters and those supporting the belief that the United States should open its borders and grant citizenship and full benefits/entitlements to anyone who comes here.

The people have voted and expressed their will for this.

Should the United States grant the will of the voters and open our borders and grant equal rights and benefits Americans have with all others of the world?


OOPS>>>>
Use IDK/OTHER as "NO TO ALL OF THE ABOVE."[/


If we want to commit seppuku as a nation, sure.





(seppuku is ritual suicide, for those in Rio Linda...)
 
There are some serious premise fallacies going on with some of those options.

Race and/or nationality have NOTHING to do with whether or not someone is allowed to LEGALLY immigrate into the US or become a citizen.

Mexico is a COUNTRY! You wouldn't be granting just one statehood if we absorbed Mexico(yet alone Central and South Americas), assuming that the drug lords would even let us. Could you imagine the power that one state would have if Mexico was granted a single statehood?!?! On the plus side if we did manage to absorb the whole country then a lot of American businesses could quickly move into the area that are not allowed now. I've always been a proponent of adopting Mexico's immigration system and rules.

Puerto Rico.....eh....as others have said, if they don't vote to accept statehood, then we can't make them.
 
Immigration is invasion. Immigration is treason. We are not "a nation of immigrants." That only applied when the country was rapidly expanding and there was a shortage of workers and settlers.

Contrary to Santayana's misleading advice, those who do not recognize that history takes different forms are the ones condemned to repeat it. If you don't recognize this as the modern version of invasion, you will lose your country. This one has been collaborated in by multiculturalist traitors, cheap-labor Capitaliban, and a ruling class that knows that citizens born in the Third World are easier to dominate. Our leaders despise and fear the original majority. We should despise them and their heirhead brats in return. And we should give them reason to fear us. The time has come to fight this invasion the traditional way.
 
USA needs specialist immigration and educational immigration, not mass immigration. You already have millions of people with few skills unemployed... you don't need more.

No way. The formerly United States needs to replace education with paid professional training. Giving people good jobs by making them go four years a job is as stupid as it would sound if you weren't brainwashed from childhood on with the Big Lie that it is the way to go. Americans have an abundance of talent, but seeds don't grow in sand. Expecting people with no money to invest in themselves is class-biased ignorance. Not only does it create shortages, but since it's based on rewarding self-sacrifice rather than on investing in talent, it puts inferior people in superior positions.
 
The number of those who have invaded our borders, mostly unskilled, and those citizens unemployed and living off the government, mostly unskilled, are about equal.
The math is simple, and the solution just as simple. All illegals must go. Accomplish this by enforcing the laws already on the books. Prosecute all who aid and abet, including those hiring offering assistance and sanctuary, and all those who are illegal. No excuses, no extenuating circumstances.

IDK is not the same as hell no.
The only effective solution is to confiscate the business property of anyone who hires illegals. I'd even give an illegal citizenship if he helped with the sting. Property rights don't extend to the right to commit treason.
 
Immigration is invasion. Immigration is treason. We are not "a nation of immigrants." That only applied when the country was rapidly expanding and there was a shortage of workers and settlers.

So is it your position that even the legal immigrants are an invasion?
 
:lamo I have to laugh at the one about offering statehood to Mexico. Seriously? Who in the heck voted yes to that and their drug wars and cartels? How stupid. I can't even believe it. :doh

Statehood, no. But after all the problems they've caused us, I wouldn't be opposed to absorbing them as a territory. I'm not the guy who voted for that option, btw. Just my 2¢
 
Statehood, no. But after all the problems they've caused us, I wouldn't be opposed to absorbing them as a territory. I'm not the guy who voted for that option, btw. Just my 2¢

Do you realize the amount of poverty we would be taking on? I've read that almost HALF of the population in Mexico lives below the Mexican poverty line. Also, what about all the problems with the drug cartels? Yikes. I wouldn't want to take that on. No way.
 
Do you realize the amount of poverty we would be taking on?
You mean the load we already take on by taking in all the people they don't want? Taking care of their problems that they let get out of control, and allowed to become our problems? We have given them billions in aid and assistance, and they have done nothing with it. If we take their sovereignty, we can use the land to build real industry, and try to get some of that money back.

I've read that almost HALF of the population in Mexico lives below the Mexican poverty line. Also, what about all the problems with the drug cartels? Yikes. I wouldn't want to take that on. No way.
Industry will give them jobs. Since they won't be US citizens, they won't get the full benefits and wages Americans demand, but it will give them a living wage. As for the cartels, we move our tanks and bombers in, and let them know it's not their turf anymore. If they disagree, we go full Fallujah on their asses.
 
You mean the load we already take on by taking in all the people they don't want? Taking care of their problems that they let get out of control, and allowed to become our problems? We have given them billions in aid and assistance, and they have done nothing with it. If we take their sovereignty, we can use the land to build real industry, and try to get some of that money back.


Industry will give them jobs. Since they won't be US citizens, they won't get the full benefits and wages Americans demand, but it will give them a living wage. As for the cartels, we move our tanks and bombers in, and let them know it's not their turf anymore. If they disagree, we go full Fallujah on their asses.

Lol. I wonder how the Mexican government would feel about this? And the Mexican citizens?
 
Lol. I wonder how the Mexican government would feel about this? And the Mexican citizens?

Frankly, I don't give a ****. They've mistaken our kindness for weakness, and have perpetually spit in our faces. It's time we correct that.
 
The balance of victory for Obama was Hispanic/Latino voters and those supporting the belief that the United States should open its borders and grant citizenship and full benefits/entitlements to anyone who comes here.

The people have voted and expressed their will for this.

Should the United States grant the will of the voters and open our borders and grant equal rights and benefits Americans have with all others of the world?


OOPS>>>>
Use IDK/OTHER as "NO TO ALL OF THE ABOVE."[/

And I suppose you have proof that it was the Hispanic/Latino vote that swung the vote into Obama's favor? And that all of this hispanics did so with the express purpose of opening up our borders to any and all?
 
Frankly, I don't give a ****. They've mistaken our kindness for weakness, and have perpetually spit in our faces. It's time we correct that.

Yeah well, I don't think it would be worth the headaches and the money. I would rather tighten up on laws against employers who hire them, demand that OUR government start being responsible for following and enforcing our illegal immigration laws, etc. We have states in this country (mine is one of them) who are sanctuary states, as I'm sure you know, so we haven't exactly been "cracking down" on them. We should probably try that first IMO.
 
Offer statehood to Mexico, Central & South American with full citizens entitlements

what a great idea. imagine a super state stretching from north america to the falklands...which we'll steal from britain...:D.
 
And I suppose you have proof that it was the Hispanic/Latino vote that swung the vote into Obama's favor? And that all of this hispanics did so with the express purpose of opening up our borders to any and all?

Here's your proof. Provide amnesty and see what happens next.

Leaders of immigrant rights and Latino groups told reporters in a conference call on Wednesday that Obama owes his second term to Latino voters, and should repay them by passing comprehensive immigration reform. Obama promised to pass a law legalizing many of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the country while he campaigned four years ago, and he's been chastised by Latino leaders for breaking his promise.

And the Latinos swallowed Obama's lies, I mean promises, hook, line, and sinker.

Latino groups to Obama: You owe Latinos the election, now pass immigration reform | The Ticket - Yahoo! News
 
Offer statehood to Mexico, Central & South American with full citizens entitlements

what a great idea. imagine a super state stretching from north america to the falklands...which we'll steal from britain...:D.

The greatest nanny state on earth!
 
Btw, I voted "IDK/Other". Please take it to mean as "Hell No to the Nth Power No".
 
So because a few people said so it makes it true? And they speak for all Hispanic/Latino's?

Riiiiggghhhttt.....

Like the "few" people who killed Americans in Benghazi? :lamo
 
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