View Poll Results: Should the United States grant equal rights to others of the world?

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  • Open borders to everyone regardless of nationality

    2 6.67%
  • Grant full citizenship to anyone regardless of nationality

    2 6.67%
  • Recognize Puerto Rico as a state with full entitlements to its people

    6 20.00%
  • Offer statehood to Mexico, Central & South American with full citizens entitlements

    3 10.00%
  • Allow anyone in the world to become citizens of the USA with full entitlements

    2 6.67%
  • IDK/Other

    19 63.33%
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Thread: End United States Discrimination against the world?

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    Re: End United States Discrimination against the world?

    This is a rather strange poll. Discrimination? Is that really an appropriate term in this case? Is America really discriminating against those without citizenship simply because they aren't offered citizenship with no strings attached?

    That being said, lets remember that most presidential platforms have supported statehood for Puerto Rico. It is really up to Puerto Rico whether it becomes a state or remains a territory.

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    Re: End United States Discrimination against the world?

    IMO, the statehood for Puerto Rico thing makes sense (but even so, it's up to Puerto Rico to decide), but all other options in this poll presume that the U.S. is somehow a supreme country that anyone in the wolrd should be granted citizenship to or allowed to live in or whatever. If the U.S. were to stop "discrimination" in this regard, so would oher countries, and it's only "discrimination" if one country is clearly better than the rest of the world.

    As a side note, I once saw a cartoon in a Dutch socialist magazine that proposed that for fairness' sake the Dutch should be allowed to vote in U.S. presidential elections Of course, however, this right should be granted reciprocally. Result: Geert Wilders got absolute majority power in the Dutch parliament because all U.S. Dems voted for him. Republicans found him to be too leftist.

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    Re: End United States Discrimination against the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I have to laugh at the one about offering statehood to Mexico. Seriously? Who in the heck voted yes to that and their drug wars and cartels? How stupid. I can't even believe it.
    There is little border limitation between Mexico and the United States in relation to drug cartels. It seems clear that the voters have spoken and that is for offering citizenship to anyone from Mexico who comes here. It would seem obviously immoral to make the standard for that being only those Mexicans willing to risk their lives in border crossing and only Mexicans willing to break American laws, plus all the expenses of border patrols and fences.

    Voters voted to allow Mexican's citizen and full rights and entitlements. How is it not immoral to required risking death, requiring breaking law and making this available only to young adults capable of border crossings?

    Granting USA citizenship to Mexican citizens is the will of the voters. Either you accept democracy's outcome or not.

    Since doing so only for Mexicans is grotesques ethnic bigotry and accordingly should be offered to all peoples and nations of the world, unless you believe Americans voted for a national policy of bigotry.

    Is offering statehood to Puerto Rico some political decision in relation to Marco Rubio and that a majority of P.R's in Florida voted Republican? That certainly would be corrupt and immoral a reason to discriminate against other Latinos.
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    Re: End United States Discrimination against the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    USA needs specialist immigration and educational immigration, not mass immigration. You already have millions of people with few skills unemployed... you don't need more.
    Agree.....US is very easy to immigrate to.....it's commonly used as a stepping stone for those wanting to get into Canada...they immigrate here 1st and then to Canada.

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    Re: End United States Discrimination against the world?

    As long as their are people in this country who sit back in their easy chairs and beat their chests about our superiority over others while at the same time burying thier heads in the sand as to the idea that they live on the same planet as everyone else and sooner or later the world is going to get alot smaller.

    So long as we have bigots, social pigmies and people like that there will be hate and discrimination against others.
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    Re: End United States Discrimination against the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Not only no, but hell no. We can't afford to feed what we already have.
    Pretty much my thoughts on the matter.
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    Re: End United States Discrimination against the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Have you considered the economic consequences of all this ?
    The economic consequences are nothing more than lies by pro-illegals and globalist scum. Forcing companies to hire legal workers will not drive the price of tomatoes to 5 dollars a pound.Contrary to popular belief labor is only a small percentage of the cost and nor do illegals make up most the agricultural and other 'low' skilled jobs.


    Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper
    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.

    You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices call it the "illegal-worker discount" is surprisingly small.

    The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.

    The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born represents only a sliver of the retail price.

    Consider those apples Washington's signature contribution to the American food basket.

    At a local QFC, Red Delicious apples go for about 99 cents a pound. Of that, only about 7 cents represents the cost of labor, said Tom Schotzko, a recently retired extension economist at Washington State University. The rest represents the grower's other expenses, warehousing and shipping fees, and the retailer's markup.

    And that's for one of the most labor-intensive crops in the state: It takes 150 to 190 hours of labor to grow and harvest an acre of apples, Schotzko said, compared to four hours for an acre of potatoes and 1 hours for an acre of wheat.

    The labor-intensive nature of many crops is a key reason agriculture continues to rely on illegal workers. A report by Jeffrey Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center who has long studied immigration trends, estimates that 247,000 illegal immigrants were employed as "miscellaneous agricultural workers" last year only 3.4 percent of the nation's 7.2 million illegal workers, according to Pew statistics, but 29 percent of all workers in that job category.



    But, I do like the response and some of the ideas.
    Conservatives and liberals must work together.....and maybe they do, and I do not know about it..
    I especially love the ID/driver's license requirement. It hampers illegals without actually requiring anyone to verify someone's immigration status and pro-illegal scum can't falsely claim those laws are racist or racially profile since the ID/driver's license requirement applies to everyone.
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    Re: End United States Discrimination against the world?

    I say yes. We need to blow the whole system up so we can start over again. And when we start over, I don't want New York and Texas to be in the same country ever again.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The balance of victory for Obama was Hispanic/Latino voters and those supporting the belief that the United States should open its borders and grant citizenship and full benefits/entitlements to anyone who comes here.

    The people have voted and expressed their will for this.

    Should the United States grant the will of the voters and open our borders and grant equal rights and benefits Americans have with all others of the world?


    OOPS>>>>
    Use IDK/OTHER as "NO TO ALL OF THE ABOVE."[/

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    Re: End United States Discrimination against the world?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There is little border limitation between Mexico and the United States in relation to drug cartels. It seems clear that the voters have spoken and that is for offering citizenship to anyone from Mexico who comes here. It would seem obviously immoral to make the standard for that being only those Mexicans willing to risk their lives in border crossing and only Mexicans willing to break American laws, plus all the expenses of border patrols and fences.

    Voters voted to allow Mexican's citizen and full rights and entitlements. How is it not immoral to required risking death, requiring breaking law and making this available only to young adults capable of border crossings?

    Granting USA citizenship to Mexican citizens is the will of the voters. Either you accept democracy's outcome or not.

    Since doing so only for Mexicans is grotesques ethnic bigotry and accordingly should be offered to all peoples and nations of the world, unless you believe Americans voted for a national policy of bigotry.

    Is offering statehood to Puerto Rico some political decision in relation to Marco Rubio and that a majority of P.R's in Florida voted Republican? That certainly would be corrupt and immoral a reason to discriminate against other Latinos.
    There was no vote on allowing Mexicans to cross the border and become citizens. Are you saying that because Obama won? I don't think I know what you mean.

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    Re: End United States Discrimination against the world?

    No to all of the above. Not only should the borders be closed, the ones who are here illegally should be deported. There's a system for legal immigration, if they feel that they are so important that they're above our laws, they don't need to be here.
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