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    Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    For two consecutive elections now -- one in which Republicans won by large margins, and now one in which Democrats won despite the economy being heavily against them -- social issues seem to have cost Republicans major Senate seats in right-leaning states. The issue of abortion seems to be killing Republican candidacies. Gay marriage is turning a corner in popularity. And the demographics are shifting extremely quickly even further to the left.

    I think it's usually a terrible idea to say "such and such an ideology is dead" after an election. These things have a tendency to turn around somehow or another. But it's hard to avoid the conclusion after the past four years that this country is shifting dramatically, social conservatism is no longer a winning ideology nationally, and it is unlikely to be one again for the foreseeable future.

    What do you think?
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    For two consecutive elections now -- one in which Republicans won by large margins, and now one in which Democrats won despite the economy being heavily against them -- social issues seem to have cost Republicans major Senate seats in right-leaning states. The issue of abortion seems to be killing Republican candidacies. Gay marriage is turning a corner in popularity. And the demographics are shifting extremely quickly even further to the left.

    I think it's usually a terrible idea to say "such and such an ideology is dead" after an election. These things have a tendency to turn around somehow or another. But it's hard to avoid the conclusion after the past four years that this country is shifting dramatically, social conservatism is no longer a winning ideology nationally, and it is unlikely to be one again for the foreseeable future.

    What do you think?
    Maybe some people considered the last two GOP presidential nominees to be too moderate.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Maybe some people considered the last two GOP presidential nominees to be too moderate.
    That's true. That wouldn't explain why Akin lost in Missouri, Mourdock in Indiana, Angle in Nevada, etc., though.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    At the national level, yes, I think it is a losing position. And with each passing year, and as the older voters die off (not to sound morbid), the nation will become even more socially liberal. You got to change with the times.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    For two consecutive elections now -- one in which Republicans won by large margins, and now one in which Democrats won despite the economy being heavily against them -- social issues seem to have cost Republicans major Senate seats in right-leaning states. The issue of abortion seems to be killing Republican candidacies. Gay marriage is turning a corner in popularity. And the demographics are shifting extremely quickly even further to the left.

    I think it's usually a terrible idea to say "such and such an ideology is dead" after an election. These things have a tendency to turn around somehow or another. But it's hard to avoid the conclusion after the past four years that this country is shifting dramatically, social conservatism is no longer a winning ideology nationally, and it is unlikely to be one again for the foreseeable future.

    What do you think?
    You read too much into this.

    McCain lost because he was a Republican coming off of Bush and he picked Palin. Palin was bat **** crazy. And Social Conservatism really was a mild case in 2008.
    Romney lost for a variety of reasons, one of which being Romney. Romney is hardly a hardcore social conservative. Granted, he may be hiding, but he seemed not to have problems with abortion UNTIL he needed to get a nomination for Presidency. While Ryan is a basketcase of crazy and lies, he's just the Veep.

    Yes, Social Conservatism did cost them house and senate seats, but don't read too much into a wide spread pattern.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Maybe some people considered the last two GOP presidential nominees to be too moderate.
    And yet by being less moderate, those candidates would have garnered fewer votes. The United States is not really a socially conservative country. And it becomes less and less so every passing year.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    probably yes, but we'll see close races based on it for years to come.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    I am not a social conservative but I have much respect for that particular ideology and I think it is equally as good as social liberalism, which is where I consider myself to me... more like a social centrist with a liberal pinch...

    In Europe, social conservatism is a really big deal and many parties who are in power accept it as their platform.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    No, it's not. Social conservatism just needs to be redefined.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Social conservatism will never die, because there will always be a societal status quo that some people will want to conserve.

    What social conservatism MEANS, however, may change. But that would have been true without this election too.
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