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Thread: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    OP God I certainly hope so.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    I think the march toward socialism is inevitable and conservative values are doomed. When a country gets rich fat and lazy off the hard work and hard values of it's founders there is a tendency for the new generations to become weak little pampered cowards and the once strong country is eventually conquered by "the barbarians from the north". As a history buff I have read about this phenomena over and over from Rome to civilization after civilization in Europe , it's just the natural scheme of things.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I think the march toward socialism is inevitable and conservative values are doomed. When a country gets rich fat and lazy off the hard work and hard values of it's founders there is a tendency for the new generations to become weak little pampered cowards and the once strong country is eventually conquered by "the barbarians from the north". As a history buff I have read about this phenomena over and over from Rome to civilization after civilization in Europe , it's just the natural scheme of things.
    You sound like a self-loathing Marxist, you know that, right?
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You sound like a self-loathing Marxist, you know that, right?
    I sound like someone who has studied history and seen this scenario play out time after time.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I sound like someone who has studied history and seen this scenario play out time after time.
    I was making a joke about how you basically gave into Marx's understanding of historical development, but did so begrudgingly.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    I hope social conservatism is not dead.... our society won't survive without it.
    ( if you define social conservatism as consisting of abortion,same sex marriage, and smoking weed... you only understand a very small slice of the pie)

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Probably not.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    I think one of the real related issues is whether the increasing attacks against those who are paying more in taxes than they take in services will vote more on that issue than say social issues that keep a fair number of wealthy people in the dem corner-mainly abortion, gay rights, environmental issues and disgust with the religious right in general

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    NO. There will always be a significant number of social conservatives.

    Will they be able to win elections in the future? Sure. A coming together of the right factors at the right times will result in wins.

    The pendulum swings back and forth between left and right and it is best not to get too focused on the here and now and one needs to take the long historical view.

    As far as ideology goes, the vast majority of Americans are NOT ideological but are far more pragmatic in their approach. Ideology - conservative or libertarian ideology - will never be the dominant force but it will always be something which commands a sizable minority of people and will be a force to be reckoned with.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think one of the real related issues is whether the increasing attacks against those who are paying more in taxes than they take in services will vote more on that issue than say social issues that keep a fair number of wealthy people in the dem corner-mainly abortion, gay rights, environmental issues and disgust with the religious right in general
    That is really a non starter and a non issue to all but a few people obsessed with that false premise. The fact is a simple and obvious one: the relationship between a citizen taxpayer and their government is NOT one of a retail shopper and a business. It is silly to whine and cry about what you get back versus what you pay. And lets face it Turtle, all you talk about this issue and your invocation of your sacred classification of the almighty NET TAXPAYER has never even resulted in you or anyone else being able to define or quantify such a term so that it can be applied across the board and identify who is who. Its simply a fallacy from the get go that only occupies a few people obsessed with the sillyness of it all.
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