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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    I dunno. Social conservatives tend to have more children than social liberals, and then instill regressive attitudes in their children.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    The answer is yes, obviously. So is advocacy of capitalism and opposition to tax increases.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Fiddy was on the money.

    "Social Conservatism" isn't finished. However, certain POLICY POSITIONS and the specific focuses of said ideological pillar of Conservatism as a whole is likely going to need to change over the next decade for any type of future viability.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    For two consecutive elections now -- one in which Republicans won by large margins, and now one in which Democrats won despite the economy being heavily against them -- social issues seem to have cost Republicans major Senate seats in right-leaning states. The issue of abortion seems to be killing Republican candidacies. Gay marriage is turning a corner in popularity. And the demographics are shifting extremely quickly even further to the left.

    I think it's usually a terrible idea to say "such and such an ideology is dead" after an election. These things have a tendency to turn around somehow or another. But it's hard to avoid the conclusion after the past four years that this country is shifting dramatically, social conservatism is no longer a winning ideology nationally, and it is unlikely to be one again for the foreseeable future.

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    I think that social conservatism should be dead. I can't see how the Republican Party can miss the signs that Americans are sick and tired of hearing about abortion and same-sex marriages. Being opposed to these issues is not going to win votes. It's going to cost votes. It's clouding the real issues and challenges that face our country today: fiscal disaster.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    For two consecutive elections now -- one in which Republicans won by large margins, and now one in which Democrats won despite the economy being heavily against them -- social issues seem to have cost Republicans major Senate seats in right-leaning states. The issue of abortion seems to be killing Republican candidacies. Gay marriage is turning a corner in popularity. And the demographics are shifting extremely quickly even further to the left.

    I think it's usually a terrible idea to say "such and such an ideology is dead" after an election. These things have a tendency to turn around somehow or another. But it's hard to avoid the conclusion after the past four years that this country is shifting dramatically, social conservatism is no longer a winning ideology nationally, and it is unlikely to be one again for the foreseeable future.

    What do you think?

    These things are cyclic, but the cycles include many variables. Conservatism has been declared dead several times before and seen a resurgence; liberalism has also been declared dead only to come back strong a decade later.

    At the same time, the definitions of what is "conservative" and "liberal" also change.

    A lot of conservatives are starting to step back from some of the more extreme policy positions like outlawing abortion entirely, or doing away with the social safety net altogether.

    OTOH a lot of liberals are becoming relatively pro-Second Amendment, and the notion of fiscal responsibility in deficit spending is gaining support.


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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    This election was the last gasp for social conservatism. If they could have gotten Romney elected, they would have been able to pack the Supreme Court with activists who would implement the right-wing social agenda. As it stands now....Obama will get at least 1 possibly 2 or 3 more Supreme Court picks. It is likely that Ginsburg and Breyer will both retire within 4 years. It is even likely that Kennedy might retire, but he might hold out til the next election. Even so, Obama will be able to save our Supreme Court from falling into the hands of activists which was the only hope for social conservatism....because social conservatism is dying out in the electorate as evidenced by the gay marriage votes in this election, the marijuana legalization votes and changing attitudes across the country as evidenced by polling on these and other social conservative issues. It is likely that the GOP will re-evaluate its party in the next year and very likely that they will recognize that the social conservative agenda is bringing them down. Social conservativism will not die out entirely, but it will be limited to a handful of Southern States and the fly-over plains states.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    No, what the Republicans have isn't social conservatism, the entire party isn't conservative, they are neo-conservative, something entirely different. Social conservatism is just fine. Religious-wingnuttery, which is all the Republicans do these days, ought to be dead and buried.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Unfortunately yes

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    As a form of personal belief, no it's not finished, we'll always have diverse views informed by a range of different things.

    However, as a national or political strategy, conservative politicians need to get with the times and stop pulling the nation back to the 1900s. I think it will take a few more years to solidify the end to this incredibly regressive and restrictive ideology, and it will take some time for radical folks to truly realize that, but for the most part, this is done.


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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Here's what people need to understand about social conservatism that Zyph and I have highlighted, but I will do so with a historical perspective.

    Social conservatism is a tendency, and impulse, not a platform.

    In Western culture, it has existed since Ancient Greece and the Roman Republic. Cato the Elder led a social conservative movement against the spreading influence of Greece culture and its intellectual heritage on the Roman Republic. In the United States, you have had continued waves of social conservatism that impacted not only culture, but also the laws. It can be divided by geography, decade, and so forth. In the Pacific Northwest during the late 19th century, for instance, you saw a continued recoil surrounding the proper duties of women and men. There was a reaction against "The New Woman" and her increased independence, not just by the men, but also by women who grew up as that pioneer generation. In France, after the first World War, there was a social conservatism that became established after young men came back home from the War and perceived a lull in the creation of children (who were seen as the health of a nation) and the blurring of the sexes in terms of dress, social customs, and so forth. If you look at the American south during the 1920s through the 1950s, you see a continued redefinition of what it meant to be socially conservative, and how that influenced their laws: miscegenation laws, specific policies that tried to react against the increasing rebelliousness of young people (especially women) during the 1920s and 1930s. Each decade had a different set of perceived problems, a reaction against them, and proposed solutions.

    Many of these things are subject to what liberals consider that linear definition of History in the capital sense: onward and upward progress experiencing temporary roadblocks by foolish obstructionists. Yet much of it can stick. For instance, even though some of the laws protecting women in the workplace were created through a conservative progressive and liberal progressive means, they were defined in socially conservative terms, and still are. Women, despite being seen as more of that blurred group that are equal peoples to that of men, the legal protections are still largely defined in terms of her "natural condition" and can often give them more protections/rights than men based entirely on social constructions that are based on socially conservative philosophy. I'm not suggesting that women have more rights than men in general, but there are occasions where the gendered language and assumptions of the times carried over and benefited them.
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