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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Romney didn't lose because of Social Conservatism.

    But I still think social conservatism is a losing tactic.

    The world is moving on.

    It's over.

    You lost this battle of ideas long ago.

    Whether you like it or not we're moving towards a more socially free future and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
    then you save as many as you can, for as long as you can.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    then you save as many as you can, for as long as you can.
    Save what in a what now?

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    It depends on your definition of social conservative. Multiple states legalized either marijuana or same-sex marriage tonight. That's historic. Those issues are very slowly fading into history. But there are other issues, and there always will be other social issues to be conservative about.
    "Advocates of capitalism are apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: the fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate." - Bertrand Russell

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Save what in a what now?
    The human wreckage of a socially liberal society are kids raised in single parent homes, children murdered before they get a chance to breathe, and a host of social ills (higher rates of incarceration, child rape, drug use, and educational failure). Entire generations in many area's have been lain waste because they have failed to heed the basic social conservative message of the centrality and importance of the family structure.

    Even if our cause is doomed (and perhaps it is), it remains incumbent upon us to do the best we can with what we have to help those for whom we have the ability.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The human wreckage of a socially liberal society are kids raised in single parent homes, children murdered before they get a chance to breathe, and a host of social ills (higher rates of incarceration, child rape, drug use, and educational failure). Entire generations in many area's have been lain waste because they have failed to heed the basic social conservative message of the centrality and importance of the family structure.

    Even if our cause is doomed (and perhaps it is), it remains incumbent upon us to do the best we can with what we have to help those for whom we have the ability.
    Liberals are only "against families" in the mythical land of religiously framed social conservatism. There is absolutely no basis in objective reality for any claim that liberalism rejects the family structure as the basic unit of society. That's idiotic in itself, and to claim it.

    I'd also like to see evidence that liberal culture also promotes incarceration, child rape, or educational failure. Because there's lots of reasons for all of that, and none of it is because we're liberal, or every other liberal country would have the same issues.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    Liberals are only "against families" in the mythical land of religiously framed social conservatism.'
    That is sadly not correct - the family as an alternate power to the state has been a historical opponent of Progressives.

    However, it's really immaterial. Whether or not that is their intent, it is their results. When you pay people to have children out of wedlock and punish them if they try to marry and raise children in two-parent households.... then they will have children out of wedlock and not marry to raise children in two-parent households.

    I'd also like to see evidence that liberal culture also promotes incarceration, child rape, or educational failure.
    Single Parenthood as a prevalent force in our society is a direct outflow of liberal social policy. Children raised by single parents are far more likely to go to jail, far more likely to be sexually abused as children, and far more likely to drop out of school.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well let's see. George W Bush ran as a social conservative and run twice. McCain and Romney ran without mentioning social issues and lost twice.

    Yeah, obviously social conservatism is to blame
    Uh, that wasn't his primary platform. Dubya never ran on "I'm a social con, vote for me."
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The human wreckage of a socially liberal society are kids raised in single parent homes, children murdered before they get a chance to breathe, and a host of social ills (higher rates of incarceration, child rape, drug use, and educational failure). Entire generations in many area's have been lain waste because they have failed to heed the basic social conservative message of the centrality and importance of the family structure.

    Even if our cause is doomed (and perhaps it is), it remains incumbent upon us to do the best we can with what we have to help those for whom we have the ability.
    Single-parent households are the result of liberals?

    Drug use has been on the decline. And marijuana use is not as destructive as tobacco or alcohol use. Therefore, it only does harm to keep it criminalized.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is sadly not correct - the family as an alternate power to the state has been a historical opponent of Progressives.

    However, it's really immaterial. Whether or not that is their intent, it is their results. When you pay people to have children out of wedlock and punish them if they try to marry and raise children in two-parent households.... then they will have children out of wedlock and not marry to raise children in two-parent households.
    Where and how is this the case?

    Liberalism does not promote single-parent households. That it does is nothing but social conservative fear mongering. It champions its own ideology without rational judgement of anything opposing it and perceives an opposition that doesn't exist.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by gavinfielder View Post
    Liberalism does not promote single-parent households
    So much for personal responsibility eh

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