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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Social conservatism as we know it is dyng with the old and organized religon. It poses no threat to the future. Sure some local governments here and there with have a social conservative, but I don't think there will be another social conservative president ever again(an activist one that presses the issue nationally).

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    For two consecutive elections now -- one in which Republicans won by large margins, and now one in which Democrats won despite the economy being heavily against them -- social issues seem to have cost Republicans major Senate seats in right-leaning states. The issue of abortion seems to be killing Republican candidacies. Gay marriage is turning a corner in popularity. And the demographics are shifting extremely quickly even further to the left.

    I think it's usually a terrible idea to say "such and such an ideology is dead" after an election. These things have a tendency to turn around somehow or another. But it's hard to avoid the conclusion after the past four years that this country is shifting dramatically, social conservatism is no longer a winning ideology nationally, and it is unlikely to be one again for the foreseeable future.

    What do you think?
    I don't think it's finished, the House majority is proof enough of that. Romney lost because he doesn't understand the American majority. He's in his own little world, raised in an entirely different class than the majority of Americans. Plus his ideas weren't that great, he's inconsistent, and he doesn't have a great track record of leadership. When talking about Romney, people just felt they were getting a sleazy "Obama lite" and that turns people off. I honestly didn't like the guy at all, which is why I couldn't vote for him.

    Social Conservatism itself is not dead, it's just not what the People want at this time. In my opinion, there's a time and a place for everything, and the time for conservatism will come again.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    What do you think?
    Its an indication that republicans should quit nominating RINOs. They propped up a RINO named McCain in 2008 and lost.Then for some idiotic reason they decided to prop up a even bigger RINO named Romney in 2012 and lost. If the republicans actually care about winning then hopefully they don't pick another dirty liberal pretending to be a conservative in 2016.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Maybe some people considered the last two GOP presidential nominees to be too moderate.
    I agree.In 2008 the republicans nominated Obama lite and in 2012 they nominated Obama almost light.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    Social conservatism will never die, because there will always be a societal status quo that some people will want to conserve.

    What social conservatism MEANS, however, may change. But that would have been true without this election too.
    How is wanting to abolish abortion "the status quo?"
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Yes, I think social conservatism as we know it is finished as a national ideology.

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its an indication that republicans should quit nominating RINOs. They propped up a RINO named McCain in 2008 and lost.Then for some idiotic reason they decided to prop up a even bigger RINO named Romney in 2012 and lost. If the republicans actually care about winning then hopefully they don't pick another dirty liberal pretending to be a conservative in 2016.
    Even if I agreed Mitt Romney and John McCain weren't conservative in any sense, there is a world of difference between being non-conservative and being liberal.

    Being pro-life, against gay marriage, and opposing market regulations or higher taxes on wealthy people are all fairly non-liberal positions.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    I think too many social conservatives have been satisfied with using religion to frame their position. A lot of these positions are not necessary religious issues (well, perhaps gay marriage...), but that's how they're framed. America has a long history of both religious tradition and secular culture, and most things America does culturally are based on a form of rationality. The problem social conservatives face is the reality that their form of arguing become less meaningful to others as America's religious tradition becomes a less defined aspect of its culture. Ultimately, social conservatism can easily be saved, but it will need to change the way it makes its arguments. Even if arguments can have religious significance to those who hold that position, the sensibility of the arguments will need to be accented in the future.

    Gay marriage is a losing argument IMO (though I could be wrong, I just don't see a sensible argument for it outside of religious context). I think the abortion debate can be a strong one for a long time, because you can definitely make the case outside of religious context.
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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Well let's see. George W Bush ran as a social conservative and run twice. McCain and Romney ran without mentioning social issues and lost twice.

    Yeah, obviously social conservatism is to blame

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    Re: Is Social Conservatism Finished as a Nationally Competitive Ideology?

    Romney didn't lose because of Social Conservatism.

    But I still think social conservatism is a losing tactic.

    The world is moving on.

    It's over.

    You lost this battle of ideas long ago.

    Whether you like it or not we're moving towards a more socially free future and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

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