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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That's simply not true. America has the most expensive medical care anywhere and it is not the best. It was the best in the past, but most of us don't live in the past. Now, if you have big money, you may be able to get the best medical care in the world in the USA, but that is not what you said.
    That is not correct - the US does indeed have the best medical care available in the world - which is why people come here. We simply pay for it through a flawed third-party-payment model, which makes it more expensive than necessary.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    America has the best medical care anywhere, sure it's very expensive, but it's doesn't suffer the wait-times and lack of freedom other countries do. I didn't mention Healthcare cause you didn't in the post I was replying to.
    Here is just one source that ranks the quality of healthcare in each country. It turns out that there are countries with far better healthcare systems than even Canada and the USA is 37th at least. So clearly there are some other systems that are working better.

    1 France
    2 Italy
    3 San Marino
    4 Andorra
    5 Malta
    6 Singapore
    7 Spain
    8 Oman
    9 Austria
    10 Japan
    11 Norway
    12 Portugal
    13 Monaco
    14 Greece
    15 Iceland
    16 Luxembourg
    17 Netherlands
    18 United Kingdom
    19 Ireland
    20 Switzerland
    21 Belgium
    22 Colombia
    23 Sweden
    24 Cyprus
    25 Germany
    26 Saudi Arabia
    27 United Arab Emirates
    28 Israel
    29 Morocco
    30 Canada
    31 Finland
    32 Australia
    33 Chile
    34 Denmark
    35 Dominica
    36 Costa Rica
    37 USA
    38 Slovenia
    39 Cuba
    40 Brunei
    41 New Zealand
    42 Bahrain
    43 Croatia
    44 Qatar
    45 Kuwait
    46 Barbados
    47 Thailand
    48 Czech Republic
    49 Malaysia
    50 Poland
    See source below:

    World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com

    At least we are among the top 50 in the world

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    And on the culture thing, How is that relevant to what I said or what the thread is about? I honestly lost track lol
    I think you were trying to say that poverty is a cultural based thing and that is why it can't be fixed. To which I responded that if the right people are involved, cultural issues can be changed to; they're not set in stone.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    See source below:

    World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com

    At least we are among the top 50 in the world
    Perhaps you should pay more attention to your source those figures are 15 years old & based on self reporting.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Here is just one source that ranks the quality of healthcare in each country. It turns out that there are countries with far better healthcare systems than even Canada and the USA is 37th at least. So clearly there are some other systems that are working better.


    At least we are among the top 50 in the world
    This article doesn't mention the method in which it ranks the healthcare systems.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I think you were trying to say that poverty is a cultural based thing and that is why it can't be fixed. To which I responded that if the right people are involved, cultural issues can be changed to; they're not set in stone.
    I was specifically saying our lack of good scores of test's is a culturally based thing. I talking our education system specifically. And I somewhat agree that it is possible to correct culturally based issues, but it is a very difficult feat that will take decades to do with the big possibility of not even working or working efficiently.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I could see why this would sound appealing to people, but some of these outcomes are ill-conceived. "Only the most minimal" health care always ends up extending to "any hospital care" given that hospital care is all based on "medical necessity." One thing that might save this option would be the flat income tax. As long as that policy was held to even if the other outcomes were becoming hard/impossible to achieve, then it might still be a workable system.
    I agree, although a flat tax would cripple the working class

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    There is no way to remove the disadvantage of those born into poor families, because the disadvantages are much more complex and pervasive than just money.
    I problem being complicated does not make it impossible to solve

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    There is no way to grant free access to anything without affecting its quality.
    All the more reason to institute competition within the system by allowing people to choose different options.

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    There is no benefit to giving people free education of any kind based only on whether they can survive the coursework, because education is an investment and covering the entire cost of the investment for someone else encourages malinvestment.
    Is this how it works with athletes that are farmed? Why don't I just quote what someone else has said.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Pay people a salary to go to college or get other job training and you will develop your most talented instead of the useless rich kids and people afraid to grow up that you get in college now. By this full development of the most potentially productive human resources, you will create enough wealth to finance the best military and the most generous social services. No one offers us this option, yet they make sure they get the best athletic talent developed the same way, so they know how to get this done. The reason the rich parasites brainwash people that sucking your thumb in college, working without pay and living like a 15-year-old is an achievement to be proud of is that they, meaning the only people with power and influence in this country, gain all their wealth by turning superior talent into wimps who won't rebel against their employers stealing most of what they produce.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    There is no way to provide food and shelter such that equal physical health is achieved.
    It seems to me that all we have to do is get health experts involved in the process and we should be on our way. I am not under and false beliefs that a system could do something perfectly; instead this is a set of guidelines and things to strive for - say, hitting the goals by 90%

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Cue Orwellian dystopian stories. Also, Option D is really just a paraphrase of Option C.
    Lol, kinda had a feeling you'd say that. Why is it that so many people confuse true equality of opportunity with equality of outcome?

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There never is and never will be free education or free healthcare. It is simply a matter of hiding who is paying for it through government. So B and C are right out. D is a failed totalitarian nightmare - the nations who have tried it have inevitably spun into poverty and wreckage. So I guess I'm left with A.
    I agree that D wouldn't work.

    However, by free, obviously I meant, at no immediate cost to the patient or scholar etc. ; the cost is absorbed by the higher income levels - not including actual small businesses and people (not companies) making below 250K - I do agree with that income level marker from the left

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Austin View Post
    Perhaps you should pay more attention to your source those figures are 15 years old & based on self reporting.
    Show me the proof with a quote please - please provide a list that says something else as well - otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    This article doesn't mention the method in which it ranks the healthcare systems.

    It's from the world healthcare organization, so I imagine it uses their stated methods - besides you and I both know that the US has not been at the top of healthcare rankings

    Instead of poking holes in evidence... provide evidence of your own that is counter to the evidence I provided - that would be a much more useful way to spend your time - perhaps you won't find anything though... we'll have to see I guess

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