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Thread: The Future of The USA

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Seems like you ducked the healthcare issue (not to mention culture is not something that exists in a vacuum, i.e. it is changeable, any psychologist would agree, that is if they understand how culture works)
    America has the best medical care anywhere, sure it's very expensive, but it's doesn't suffer the wait-times and lack of freedom other countries do. I didn;t mention Healthcare cause you didn't in the post I was replying to.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Seems like you ducked the healthcare issue (not to mention culture is not something that exists in a vacuum, i.e. it is changeable, any psychologist would agree, that is if they understand how culture works)
    And on the culture thing, How is that relevant to what I said or what the thread is about? I honestly lost track lol

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Reply to Turtle Dude:
    "Its like that advertisement that Immigrant-billionaire Thomas Pefferry (sp) has put up

    Under socialism, the rich are poorer but so are the poor. Its the rich who take care of the poor. want the poor to have better handouts, support the creation of more wealthy people"


    If you give the rich a higher percentage of the wealth, the poor are automatically poorer. It is simple arithmetic.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    America has the best medical care anywhere, sure it's very expensive, but it's doesn't suffer the wait-times and lack of freedom other countries do. I didn;t mention Healthcare cause you didn't in the post I was replying to.

    That's simply not true. America has the most expensive medical care anywhere and it is not the best. It was the best in the past, but most of us don't live in the past. Now, if you have big money, you may be able to get the best medical care in the world in the USA, but that is not what you said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I don't want any of the above either - but I wonder which option is closest to what people want? This is what's called an ethical dilemma. It helps to bring up important issues so that we can be prepared if we had to make decisions. Its an exercise of the brain. What do you value? What would you sacrifice?
    Excersizing my brain I also say that these are false choices. We are smarter than painting ourself into a corner where we actuaqlly have no choices

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Pay people a salary to go to college or get other job training and you will develop your most talented instead of the useless rich kids and people afraid to grow up that you get in college now. By this full development of the most potentially productive human resources, you will create enough wealth to finance the best military and the most generous social services. No one offers us this option, yet they make sure they get the best athletic talent developed the same way, so they know how to get this done. The reason the rich parasites brainwash people that sucking your thumb in college, working without pay and living like a 15-year-old is an achievement to be proud of is that they, meaning the only people with power and influence in this country, gain all their wealth by turning superior talent into wimps who won't rebel against their employers stealing most of what they produce.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Don't know. We cannot know until we know who will be Pres and what the make up of Congress will be. After Tomorrow, I may be able to give you a better prediction.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Option B:
    Being among the top 10 economic forces in the world.
    Slightly decreasing the disadvantage of those born into poor families.
    Free access to only the most minimal health care for the poor.
    Free access to no more than secondary education for the poor.
    Food and shelter safety nets that serve only to keep people alive.
    Being among the top 10 military powers in the world.
    Everyone pays the same percentage of their income in taxes.
    I could see why this would sound appealing to people, but some of these outcomes are ill-conceived. "Only the most minimal" health care always ends up extending to "any hospital care" given that hospital care is all based on "medical necessity." One thing that might save this option would be the flat income tax. As long as that policy was held to even if the other outcomes were becoming hard/impossible to achieve, then it might still be a workable system.

    Option C:
    Being among the top 50% of the economic forces in the world.
    Almost complete removal of the disadvantage of those born into poor families.
    Free access to quality health care for the poor.
    Free access to all schooling levels and all schools for those capable of completing the coursework.
    Food and shelter safety nets that serve to allow equal physical health.
    Being among the top 50% of military forces in the world.
    Progressive taxation is applied without loopholes.
    There is no way to remove the disadvantage of those born into poor families, because the disadvantages are much more complex and pervasive than just money. There is no way to grant free access to anything without affecting its quality. There is no benefit to giving people free education of any kind based only on whether they can survive the coursework, because education is an investment and covering the entire cost of the investment for someone else encourages malinvestment. There is no way to provide food and shelter such that equal physical health is achieved.

    Option D:
    Unknown world economic power status.
    Enforcing equality of outcome (not to be confused with equality of opportunity).
    Unknown world military power status.
    Taxes are decided based on the amount needed to create equality of outcome.
    Cue Orwellian dystopian stories. Also, Option D is really just a paraphrase of Option C.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Given the extreme hatred between the conservatives and the extreme-right extra-terrestrial nutters, civil war seems the best you can hope for.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    There never is and never will be free education or free healthcare. It is simply a matter of hiding who is paying for it through government. So B and C are right out. D is a failed totalitarian nightmare - the nations who have tried it have inevitably spun into poverty and wreckage. So I guess I'm left with A.

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