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Thread: The Future of The USA

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Thank you for your honest response. It is refreshing. I agree that we are a well endowed nation. I also don't believe things are as bad as the media is making them out to be. I believe most of it is to create drama and an attempt for political parties to get their licks. There is big money in politics. Different people benefit from different political figures being in power. Big big money.

    In regards to open questions - that would ruin the point of the exercise. I have made several closed ended polls and this is the first that I have gotten such aversive reactions to.



    What exactly do you think they would do to us if we weren't top dog?
    if it's anything like what they do to their own people, it's not my cup of tea!!

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    I vote "None of the above"

    Having the number one economy gives you everything else. You do not have to sacrifice one for the other
    But you didn't answer the question as to which is the least deplorable option.

    Also, as mentioned in earlier posts, what about countries like Finland and Canada? Kind of goes opposite of your proposition doesn't it. Especially since their school and healthcare is better than ours.

    But I go back to the original comment, you didn't choose an option.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I agree, A strong, thriving economy makes all categories increase. And, even better, it does it by the free choices of the people and not the government choosing.

    But you didn't answer the question as to which is the least deplorable option.

    Also, as mentioned in earlier posts, what about countries like Finland and Canada? Kind of goes opposite of your proposition doesn't it. Especially since their school and healthcare is better than ours.

    But I go back to the original comment, you didn't choose an option.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Granted, I agree with most of what you have just said. I am curious though exactly how much you think can be cut that way.
    Not too long ago I went through the Federal budget line-by-line and analyzed what was there. I also looked into how much we waste on duplicate agencies, agencies that generate ZERO results, and military equipment contracts for equipment the military does not want and bases they do not need but which are kept open by local politicians.

    We could literally cut at least a third of domestic spending, and still have enough money to cut each and every poor family an annual check for at least 20k, if our bureaucracy didn't make so much of that money vanish into useless black holes. As for military spending, the 20% is a bit arbitrary but we spend so many times more than our next nearest competitor that we'd have to cut far more than 20% before we were in any danger of falling to #2 status.



    Still, it seems as though you refused to engage in the prioritizing exercise. I just want to know what you value more in the given hypothetical situation. Or more likely, which option you dislike least
    I prefer the option I talked about.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    But you didn't answer the question as to which is the least deplorable option.

    Also, as mentioned in earlier posts, what about countries like Finland and Canada? Kind of goes opposite of your proposition doesn't it. Especially since their school and healthcare is better than ours.

    But I go back to the original comment, you didn't choose an option.
    Your saying the better the economy in Finland and Canada the worse the people are off?

    The reason why the US is worse-off in school is cultural and because of the large population. Culture is the main reason and it is something that cannot be changed by government throwing money at it.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Hey that last part of option A about the voting power being decided by the level of monetary contributions in taxes is a great idea. That alone would make option A the best. We Don't need to take any action on any class increasing any disadvantages or advantages and military power should only be enough for national defense. The idea is to defend our rights. The right to life. The right not to live at the point of a gun. Not to live under physical threat.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Your saying the better the economy in Finland and Canada the worse the people are off?

    The reason why the US is worse-off in school is cultural and because of the large population. Culture is the main reason and it is something that cannot be changed by government throwing money at it.
    Seems like you ducked the healthcare issue (not to mention culture is not something that exists in a vacuum, i.e. it is changeable, any psychologist would agree, that is if they understand how culture works)

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MTrossman View Post
    Hey that last part of option A about the voting power being decided by the level of monetary contributions in taxes is a great idea. That alone would make option A the best. We Don't need to take any action on any class increasing any disadvantages or advantages and military power should only be enough for national defense. The idea is to defend our rights. The right to life. The right not to live at the point of a gun. Not to live under physical threat.
    Its a good thing that there is at least some illusion that democracy actually exists. The truth is that everything is actually already pretty much run by those with the most money anyway. If everyone realized that, things would have changed a long time ago. You wish for something that basically already exists. Its good though that, a percentage of the time, if enough people complain about something for long enough, eventually, years later, something will change. As long as the masses can be appeased, which includes people being brainwashed with ideas such as the idea that true equality of opportunity actually exists (i.e. a level playing field for all from the start - not to be confused with equality of outcome), that democracy actually exists, that greed doesn't exist (and the hoarding that goes along with it), that the most wealthy aren't already running the show and so on.... well anyway, as long as suckers can be convinced of these things, or at least as long as around %50 of the population can be convinced of these things or are simply too naive to understand any of it... well then, things won't change and you will continue to have your dictatorship from the wealthy riding on the backs of the poor.

    Its my job, and those of like minded people to continue to let this message ring until enough wake up and do something about it

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not too long ago I went through the Federal budget line-by-line and analyzed what was there. I also looked into how much we waste on duplicate agencies, agencies that generate ZERO results, and military equipment contracts for equipment the military does not want and bases they do not need but which are kept open by local politicians.
    It would be interesting to see your work on that - identifying whats duplicate, what generates zero results etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We could literally cut at least a third of domestic spending, and still have enough money to cut each and every poor family an annual check for at least 20k, if our bureaucracy didn't make so much of that money vanish into useless black holes. As for military spending, the 20% is a bit arbitrary but we spend so many times more than our next nearest competitor that we'd have to cut far more than 20% before we were in any danger of falling to #2 status.
    Then why all the cries for more military spending?

    Obviously cutting every poor family a check for $20 isn't prudent (I know you know this), but I hope you weren't implying that this is what I would want

    I think the money would be better spent on finding ways to pay living wages, to keeping people employed, and yes, for those that are disabled and cannot work. Bottom line, in a world where the human employee is needed to a lesser and lesser degree (or so it seems) - we need to find ways that everyone can be productive for society.

    Instead of handing out welfare checks, why not have the government just match whatever the poorest people make per hour with a certain contribution amount? But ideally, the government wouldn't have to be the middle man in this - which would mean minimum wage would have to go up instead. It makes you wonder how things got to be such a mess... doesn't it?

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by roflpublican View Post
    if it's anything like what they do to their own people, it's not my cup of tea!!
    So they would just march on over and take over our country? Via military force? Is that what you think? I am trying to understand what you are getting at, but rather than giving me a straight answer, you dodge via a cutesie remark

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