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Thread: The Future of The USA

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I believe the presumptions of the poll are exactly wrong.

    To be MOST charitable to our own people, we also must be as wealthy a nation as possible.

    Increased charity/welfare by declining economic national wealthy is an impossibility.
    I wonder how countries like Finland are able to be very civic minded and not be the most wealthy nation? It seems like there are several industrialized nations, including Canada that have better health care systems and better school systems.... yet amazingly, they are not even close to the wealthiest nations in the world... hmmm... perhaps you could shed some light on that

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I expressed what I though we could do. We can make huge cuts in domestic Federal spending, and large cuts in military spending, and still have good social programs and the best military in the world and STILL balance the budget, IF we get rid of the waste, pork, fraud and general crap that exists among those two budget categories.

    It will mean hardship for some areas, closing military bases we don't need and not building another 1000 tanks this year unless we actually need 1000 new tanks. It will be hard on some politicians who won't get to bring home the Federal bacon in the form of money for local stuff that doesn't really help the poor a lot but does bring some business to local contractors. However it can be done, if the political will existed to really reform government spending and cut those bloated, frequently useless non-results-producting, often-needlessly duplicated bureacratic empires down to a lean efficient machine.

    The hard part about that is that I serious doubt the political will exists to do it... too many pockets being lined, too many politicians depending on pork for reelection.

    Short version, the real world often sucks more than any hypothetical dilemma.
    Granted, I agree with most of what you have just said. I am curious though exactly how much you think can be cut that way.

    Still, it seems as though you refused to engage in the prioritizing exercise. I just want to know what you value more in the given hypothetical situation. Or more likely, which option you dislike least

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I wonder how countries like Finland are able to be very civic minded and not be the most wealthy nation? It seems like there are several industrialized nations, including Canada that have better health care systems and better school systems.... yet amazingly, they are not even close to the wealthiest nations in the world... hmmm... perhaps you could shed some light on that
    what's the average income per family in canada vs the USA. canada is a rather wealthy nation given its population.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its like that advertisement that Immigrant-billionaire Thomas Pefferry (sp) has put up

    Under socialism, the rich are poorer but so are the poor. Its the rich who take care of the poor. want the poor to have better handouts, support the creation of more wealthy people

    It seems like your making this an all or nothing type situation though, as if the concepts of free market and socialism can't be mixed. We already know government needs to be involved. If they weren't, monopolies would develop and quality would go down. Its already going that way as it is because government has supported legislature for all the largest corporations instead of for all the truly small businesses. Opportunity for small business is best for everyone; not opportunity for the largest. Sure, we need some of the largest too, but some of them have already gotten out of control and the government should have intervened against their monopolies long ago.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what's the average income per family in canada vs the USA. canada is a rather wealthy nation given its population.


    and Finland and the others?

    and still I don't believe Canada is more wealthy for the average person than the US - don't try to downplay the point

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    It seems like your making this an all or nothing type situation though, as if the concepts of free market and socialism can't be mixed. We already know government needs to be involved. If they weren't, monopolies would develop and quality would go down. Its already going that way as it is because government has supported legislature for all the largest corporations instead of for all the truly small businesses. Opportunity for small business is best for everyone; not opportunity for the largest. Sure, we need some of the largest too, but some of them have already gotten out of control and the government should have intervened against their monopolies long ago.

    Here is the problem. just about everyone agrees that those truly in need, especially those who become unable to care for themselves because of their service to our nation (disabled veterans especially) or because of no fault of their own (born with a disability, injured due to the negligence of others etc) should be taken care of. The problem is that there are way too many politicians who use that need to create power for themselves by using the safety net to trawl for votes and to create dependent supporters.

    and that creates an environment perhaps worse than a society where only private charity cares for the truly needy

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    and Finland and the others?

    and still I don't believe Canada is more wealthy for the average person than the US - don't try to downplay the point
    well what are the numbers?

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    I vote "None of the above"

    Having the number one economy gives you everything else. You do not have to sacrifice one for the other

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    None of the above...

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    I vote "None of the above"

    Having the number one economy gives you everything else. You do not have to sacrifice one for the other
    I agree, A strong, thriving economy makes all categories increase. And, even better, it does it by the free choices of the people and not the government choosing.

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