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Thread: The Future of The USA

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by roflpublican View Post
    Indeed, I read your post. I voted A, but proceeded to explain why in my view none of the options are likely.
    Oh, OK, sorry, I didn't realize that. I think I pick option C, however I would most like something that is a mix between option b and c. It just seems to be the most ethical to me. I believe wealth and power are under rated if you have the right allies. I believe that it is hard to compete with certain other immoral countries, e.g. china. However, I believe that if enough like minded countries banded together we could see option C realized while still keeping a lot of wealth and power.

    Quote Originally Posted by roflpublican View Post
    Can you identify what pork, graft, and waste you would cut from the military/system? I see those words thrown around quite a bit, but rarely with specifics behind them.
    Yes I agree with you roflpublican, ambiguous statements like these are nauseating and non-committal.
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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Long view. Exploiting the **** out of a relationship with burgeoning, relatively culturally similar, ideologically passive economies down south and north whatever else comes?

    You can always rely on what you know. Don't **** it up on the hypothetical way down. Eurasia is for gamblers.
    Wow... would you like to elaborate on this? What exactly are you saying and why exactly are you avoiding making a difficult decision?

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Depends on who's Top Dog #2.
    OK, thank you for starting to answer the question. Who do you think would be #2? How and why would that effect your position? What is your position?

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Seriously? This is an ethical dilemma, its supposed to be hard; that's the whole point. I wouldn't have made the options so skewed if I just wanted things to be easy. I dare you to think about what this is all about and truly try to answer a hard question. Situations like this often shake people to their core, leaving them resistant to taking a stance. Everyone who reads the post has a knee jerk reaction, but refuses to share it as it. Only those who are secure and confident in their arguments and in their values will be able to answer the question. The other problem is that most people have no experience with dealing with these issues and perhaps they don't want to. People are faced with hard decisions every day of their lives, harder than you would know. The least we could do is to figure out where we are leaning. This kind of exercise is preparatory. A nation with citizens that are unwilling to answer hard questions, will not succeed. Oh well, its an opportunity for growth, take it or leave it.

    Yes, seriously. If you're saying this OP is an abstract hypothetical dilemma that has little connection to reality, then I agree. I wasn't shaken to my core; I was unimpressed. I am not unwilling to answer hard questions, I'm unwilling to be bound by false dichotomies. I don't lack experience with these issues, I apparently have more experience with them than you because I can recognize when I'm being presented with an unrealistic set of options.

    I decline to let other people define my options for me, particularly when those options are not realistic.




    People are faced with hard decisions every day of their lives, harder than you would know.

    You don't know me bud. I'm not some college freshman, I'm an ex-cop. I'm a middle aged blue collar single father with a teenage son and a mortgage: I make hard decisions every day. You talking down to me is pretty damn funny.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    unfortunately, there are certain ethical values that all people value over other values - the problem is that people don't want to actually look at those - it's difficult to make decisions like this - have you ever heard of the life boat dilemma? if not, this is likely your first time to face a difficult ethical dilemma, so I can understand how it can be hard... I remember the first time I was faced with a hypothetical dilemma like this... it was really hard to answer... however, I found that when forced to, I was able to answer - it takes a lot of courage though - either way, thank you for taking the time to consider it even if you didn't want to participate
    I guess you just dont get it. It doesnt matter that much it just means you'll hit a lot of none of the aboves (or people just not voting) & you'll end up with a meaningless results.

    I was only trying to help you

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    none of the above.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Oh, OK, sorry, I didn't realize that. I think I pick option C, however I would most like something that is a mix between option b and c. It just seems to be the most ethical to me. I believe wealth and power are under rated if you have the right allies. I believe that it is hard to compete with certain other immoral countries, e.g. china. However, I believe that if enough like minded countries banded together we could see option C realized while still keeping a lot of wealth and power.



    Yes I agree with you roflpublican, ambiguous statements like these are nauseating and non-committal.
    The unfortunate thing is, our allies are underwater. the EU consists of most of NATO, and they're all spiraling down the same trap Hoover jammed us into 80+ years ago. We are morally obligated to maintain our position as #1, until a viable #2 emerges that can be accepted. China is a dictatorship, so is Russia, heres to the rise of democratic republican brazil because until then we need more carriers, more nukes, and more delta force platoons.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Lame set of choices.
    "We have more responsibility than power, I think. The newspaper can create great controversies, stir up arguments within the community or discussion, can throw light on injustices....just as it can do the opposite. It can hide things and be a great power for evil." -- Rupert Murdoch, 1968

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Austin View Post
    I guess you just dont get it. It doesnt matter that much it just means you'll hit a lot of none of the aboves (or people just not voting) & you'll end up with a meaningless results.

    I was only trying to help you
    My hunch is people don't want to answer because it would be too revealing. It "cuts to the chase", which is what most people aren't willing to do. I'll admit, to a degree I was hoping people would step up to the task as I've seen people do in ethics classes. But, I also realize that putting oneself in a vulnerable situation isn't very comfortable. To me lots of people saying none of the above is just proof that I am hitting core values and people don't want to be forced to prioritize them. Priorities are key my friend.

    Actually, this is probably why we are in so much debt right now and why it is so hard to accomplish things in Washington. That is, people refuse to face reality and make the hard decisions. Instead, people want to hide behind feelings of invincibility, a huge error.

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Lame set of choices.

    Cop out answer IMO, especially since everyone who has said this could have just ignored the post. Not ignoring it means it struck something that made you want to reply. But rather than facing the hard hypothetical decision, people use a variety of ego protecting vices to avoid it.

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