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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    And what do you propose the cure is then? (by the way I know you qualified disease with "alleged"... but I know that deep down you know there is a problem)
    the problem is too many people who see government taking wealth from others as a solution and too many power hungry turds in office who cater to people who want "something down" in order to gain wealth and power themselves while doing far less than the rich they whine about



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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the problem is too many people who see government taking wealth from others as a solution and too many power hungry turds in office who cater to people who want "something down" in order to gain wealth and power themselves while doing far less than the rich they whine about
    But what is the cure to the problem of unequal opportunity at the start of life?

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    But what is the cure to the problem of unequal opportunity at the start of life?
    who cares? the government has no business trying to cure that

    how are you going to cure athletic genes?

    raw intelligence

    good looks?


    if you want to cure inequality why just limit your crusade to wealthy parents and good schools?

    poor but pretty girls have a far better chance of ending up wealthy than ugly ones.

    LeBron James had birth advantages most other poor black boys raised by their mothers had.



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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    who cares? the government has no business trying to cure that

    how are you going to cure athletic genes?

    raw intelligence

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    if you want to cure inequality why just limit your crusade to wealthy parents and good schools?

    poor but pretty girls have a far better chance of ending up wealthy than ugly ones.

    LeBron James had birth advantages most other poor black boys raised by their mothers had.
    Well yeah... but there's no interest in changing those advantages... those are natural ones... only interested in weeding out the unnatural advantages... so how do you think crazy progressives or far lefters would go about addressing the problem with unnatural advantages at birth?

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Well yeah... but there's no interest in changing those advantages... those are natural ones... only interested in weeding out the unnatural advantages... so how do you think crazy progressives or far lefters would go about addressing the problem with unnatural advantages at birth?

    Unnatural-that sounds bitter. nothing is more natural than a talented parent wanting to help his or her children. The government doesn't exist to slake the hurt of those who have failed



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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Unnatural-that sounds bitter. nothing is more natural than a talented parent wanting to help his or her children. The government doesn't exist to slake the hurt of those who have failed
    Bitter... LOL!!

    Seriously though... we all want to help our children... perhaps using money to do so isn't the best way? ? Perhaps teaching values etc is better? ?

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Bitter... LOL!!

    Seriously though... we all want to help our children... perhaps using money to do so isn't the best way? ? Perhaps teaching values etc is better? ?
    You assume that one excludes the other

    Sorry I think I will fight as hard as possible those who want the government to redistribute income to make the failures feel better. I don't buy into your pie in the sky "its good for society" bs whatsoever. Its even more selfish than those who want to keep what they have



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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You assume that one excludes the other
    So tell me how one can use money to help his/her children?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Sorry I think I will fight as hard as possible those who want the government to redistribute income to make the failures feel better. I don't buy into your pie in the sky "its good for society" bs whatsoever. Its even more selfish than those who want to keep what they have
    Redistribution? I believe you may be using the right word grammatically, but politically, that word carries a whole lot more baggage than it should for the purposes of this debate. Perhaps new generation redistribution would be a better phrase. Because we are talking about leveling the playing field monetarily for each new generation... not for those who have already had their shot.

    Of course, there would be more than simple monetary redistribution... there would be equality of education, equality of nutrition and so on.

    Now tell me... how is that selfish?

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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    So tell me how one can use money to help his/her children?



    Redistribution? I believe you may be using the right word grammatically, but politically, that word carries a whole lot more baggage than it should for the purposes of this debate. Perhaps new generation redistribution would be a better phrase. Because we are talking about leveling the playing field monetarily for each new generation... not for those who have already had their shot.

    Of course, there would be more than simple monetary redistribution... there would be equality of education, equality of nutrition and so on.

    Now tell me... how is that selfish?
    You are-you want others to have their property confiscated to pay for your grandiose dreams

    sorry not buying it. you want your kid to have advantages such as top schools or top coaching, pay for it yourself and stop hiding your desires for the wealth of others in flowery social justice facades.



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    Re: The Future of The USA

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Sure it was a little harsh... sometimes reality is...
    Sometimes delusional rants are harsh too.

    I personally don't think those with overwhelming amounts of wealth are evil by nature... I've posted exactly how I see them in other posts. In summary, they are just humans like everyone else and mostly a victim or their environment
    Agree, except... victim?

    The way I thought would be to disallow inherited money, or at least minimize it to a certain amount, so long as other children were allowed the same.
    I understand some have a philosophical objection to inheritance, but we inherit lots of things from our parents and not all are financial. Some inherit more "assets" than "liabilities," some more "liabilities" than "assets," if you will. Philosophically speaking, why fixate only on financial forms of inheritance, if "fairness" is the name of the game?

    In addition, benefits such as going to better schools etc. would not be allow, instead, funding for schools would be allotted equally to all schools.
    So parents would theoretically be prohibited from privately paying other individuals to teach their children things?

    Parents could decide which schools they want their kids to go to based on that schools performance...
    You just said going to better schools is prohibited!

    ...or simply home school them... etc. there are many ways to make the starting line more even
    None of this makes much sense, compared to your comment about the rich being prohibited from educational advantages. How do you let people home-school while disallowing them from paying others to teach their children things?

    Of course these types of advantages couldn't be controlled.
    You're right, and that ultimately includes your own proposals too.

    Remember, we aren't talking about equality of outcome here... simply equality of starting points (or as close as we can get it)... what I feel equality of opportunity should actually refer to
    Equality of opportunity is just as impossible as equality of outcome. Every species on Earth naturally produces exceptionally strong specimens and defectively weak ones. It simply cannot be controlled. And the mission to prevent parents from intentionally giving their children competitive advantage is not only irrational and immoral, it defies nature and reality.

    There is usually a grain of truth in any argument.
    In Prometheus' case a few posts back, certainly no more than a grain.

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