View Poll Results: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The website is specifically about photos and videos made secretly without consent. His is NOT the only "revenge site" and those include full sound video and specifically encourage secret video taping.

    This was Moore's perspective:

    “If somebody killed themselves over being on the site do you know how much money I’d make?” he said in an interview with Gawker. “At the end of the day, I do not want anybody to hurt themselves. But if they do? Thank you for the money.”
    Ok, this is not what I interpreted from the OP, apparently you know more about the referred to site than I do. I knew such sites existed, but any content in them I always assumed was not all "voyeur" photos. The few sites that I have seen that advertise themselves as "Revenge", the content looked like the women involved participated in the filming voluntarily, no eerie "secret" photos/videos that I saw. But then, I usually end up on such sites because of broken/hijacked links and have not explored them thoroughly.

    The so-called voyeur sites, those dedicated to only secretly taken photos/pictures is another story. While still find them disgusting, I still don't believe in shooting the messenger, so the person who is responsible for taking/posting the material is still the responsible party. All sites that allow the posting of photos/videos should be under the same restriction I have previously mentioned.
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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Websites post all kinds of things, from exposés, to national and military secrets, and people defend the sights and people who do that as essential bastions and martyrs of freedom and rights. It's not until people actually see that such crap can personally effect them that it becomes a "problem". So keep the sites up, keep them legal, as long as they don't commit illegal acts. The freedom of speech is a double-edged sword.
    in the US free speech is heavily tied to the idea that the content has some political or social value.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    In case you're not familiar with the case, there was a web site run by a sleazy and unethical man named Hunter Moore in which people angry at their ex's would post nude photos of them against their will, photos that were originally intended to be private. They were photos that usually resulted from "sexting." Very often the victims of the unwanted uploads protested and tried to get their photos removed. Moore, predictably, refused. That site was called Isanyoneup. I can say that because it's since been taken down. Moore had been confronted by some of his victims and had always shirked responsibility with the line, "I didn't upload those photos. Someone else did." Yeah, but you set up the site that encouraged them to. Fortunately, his site is now gone. He chose to get rid of it, maybe because of pressure or guilt or legal threats. I'm not sure. That's the good news. The bad news is someone else put up the same kind of site to replace it. I won't say that site's name. The twist with the new site is it includes a link to a "lawyer" that can help them get their photos removed. Of course it's not a real lawyer. It's just the site owner getting people to pay hundreds of dollars to get the photos removed that belong to them anyway and that they never authorized being published.

    The poll is whether it should be illegal to put up revenge porn sites like this. "Yes" means they should be made illegal. "No" means they should be legal.
    I say yes. It should be illegal to put someone's nude pictures up for the whole world to see without the consent of the individual who is in the picture if it already isn't illegal.
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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    The site should be legal.

    What goes on on it is another matter and should be handled on a case by case basis.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    "What we have here is a failure to communicate."

    I am referring to those photo/videos that were voluntarily participated in and you keep equating it to a potentially illegal activity. For the potentially illegal ones, I am all for taking down the site if they do not only remove the pictures/video when notified or do not report the potential illegal activity and hand over any information to help trace the perpetrator. We don't need new laws for that.

    The case you brought up with the homosexual college students, If I remember correctly, there was/is criminal charges against the ones who filmed/distributed it.

    I equate you desire to punish the website, if they behaved within legal bounds as stated above, as you wanting to shoot the proverbial messenger instead of the originator.
    I do openly oppose exemptions to liable, slander, copyright violations and illegal privacy violations being given to websites that are not allowed to print and television media publications, yes. In all printed publications and television the messenger is often very liable, because the messager is the knowing or reckless vehicle of it.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Ok, this is not what I interpreted from the OP, apparently you know more about the referred to site than I do. I knew such sites existed, but any content in them I always assumed was not all "voyeur" photos. The few sites that I have seen that advertise themselves as "Revenge", the content looked like the women involved participated in the filming voluntarily, no eerie "secret" photos/videos that I saw. But then, I usually end up on such sites because of broken/hijacked links and have not explored them thoroughly.

    The so-called voyeur sites, those dedicated to only secretly taken photos/pictures is another story. While still find them disgusting, I still don't believe in shooting the messenger, so the person who is responsible for taking/posting the material is still the responsible party. All sites that allow the posting of photos/videos should be under the same restriction I have previously mentioned.
    With this topic, I did some searching and it does appear most really are fake secret revenge videos and really are just consentual porn movies.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If these photos are made without the consent of the woman involved, the person posting them should be held civilly liable and, if they've broken any laws (which they probably have), should have the book thrown right in their face. That's completely different from what I thought -- I thought these women posed.

    If the website owner is knowingly posting this stuff (without permission), then he should be held criminally liable as an accessory or some-such. How would he know it was a pose rather than a secret photo? I think he could tell. (And be willing to give up the IP address if anyone complains -- without a court order.)

    I didn't understand that when I originally answered the question. If, however, a woman willingly poses and gives the photo to someone? I have no sympathy.

    I'm a little maybe overly sensitive as we had a scare about that once. The reality is that once circulated, anyone could make and circulate more copies and it unstoppable once that happened, something then extremely embarassing. That, however, was secret and not consentual by anyone.

    The extreme abilities of the Internet to anonymously totally trash someone else's reputation for which there is no defense and no stopping it is concerning. Newpapers, magazines, TV, and even letters

    A civil court is not going to find against someone who posts a posed photo, as scummy as it is. That's not going to happen. And the person who "has" the photo? "Controls" the photo. Period. (As long as it was taken with the permission of the "model.")
    You do raise a different senario - that the person obtained the photos or videos voluntarily - and then had them published on a website.

    That is not AS offensive, but I would like to see it interpreted that those are presumed "copyrighted" and then copyright laws would apply. That would do little to stop it, though, and i don't think such a website was doing anything illegal. I would think that the submitter should have to declare the photos do not violate a copyright.

    Yes, everyone should be careful about what they give anyone or ever put online. Schools should do more to educate children about that.
    Last edited by joko104; 11-04-12 at 02:52 PM.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    I'm emotional because we had a scare of that. Once ever circulated, such pictures or videos could be copied and circulated forever. No lawsuits, no court orders, could even stop or undo it. This would have been intensely humiliating and the worst possible violation of privacy. Fortunately that was not the person's goal and the material taken away. None of it was consentual by anyone.

    The extreme ability to be able to trash someone's reputation via the Internet is alarming. I know of a situation on another now-defunct forum in which personal conflict between a member and a moderator went beyond the forum and increasingly personal, when the moderator sent real threatening emails anonymously to that member - who happened to be the wife of an extremely wealthy man - he went absolutely ballistic - and had the resources to learn who had sent the emails and to find out exactly who that person was. Now a mega wealthy man was out to destroy that young offender. He hired a team to do exactly that - and to attack the forum too - which ultimately was shut down.

    They used the Internet to post all personal information - SS#, address, DL number, phone number, of him and all relatives of his. They engaged in an unlimited smear campaign on the Internet to everyone at his university, every professor, everyone in their community, even relatives businesses and customers, scandalizing the entire family with little concern for truth. This put the police all over the person they were going after, the FBI seized that person's computer, he was thrown out of the college etc. To enter his name on the Internet was page after page after page of horrific accusations and personal attacks - all presented as facts. There was nothing he could do to stop any of it. Most will be there forever against him. He has no way to have any of it ever removed.

    Newspapers, magazines and TV networks are VERY liable for "publishing" statements that are slander or liable. You are if you personally circulate or repeated libel or slander about another person - even if just repeating gossip. But the federal government - for whatever reason - passed a unique law ONLY for the Internet granting total exemption for all libel and slander laws IF they are merely being the vehicle of it being published - such exemption not granted to any other communication network.

    I believe libel and slander laws should not be exempted from the Internet.
    Last edited by joko104; 11-04-12 at 03:05 PM.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Porn is 99% faked, so no. But in the event of the 1% crime should be addressed case by case.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    People should ALWAYS assume that every picture that anyone ever takes of them WILL end up on the internet.

    No matter how much you think you can trust the person taking the pics/vid.

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