View Poll Results: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not true. In the case of celebrities for example that defence has never worked unless the picture was sold.
    The person who took the picture owns it, not the person whose picture was taken. In this case, they're the same person.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    The person who took the picture owns it, not the person whose picture was taken. In this case, they're the same person.
    Hmmm... I know I said that in the first response you replied to "The person who received the picture or person who took the picture is the owner unless illegally obtained."

    So I am not certain what you are getting at?

    PS: Glad you are doing better man.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So I am not certain what you are getting at?
    Basically, that while the person given the picture owns the picture itself-- and can give it away or sell it as they please-- they don't have the legal right to make copies of it. Including selling it to the website for publication. The website has no legal right to publish the picture, and cannot obtain the legal right to publish the picture without securing the permission of the person who took it.

    Even under the copyright reforms I would like to see imposed, it wouldn't be legal for a for-profit website to distribute those pictures.

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    Thank you. It's been a long dark time, but I'm finally starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Posting nudy pics on the internet isn't defamation and libel. It's some dummy that took a picture of their tits, and now it's on the internet. Don't want your tits on the internet? Don't be a dummy and take pictures of them.
    well, you have been arguing that it was a free speech issue. Free speech in this country has always been interpreted as applying to those things with some social or political value.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Actually yes he is. Now in the end there are consequences to those actions of which some may be legal.
    Um, if the consequences of your encouragement are illegal then you're NOT allowed to encourage whatever you want to. Are you serious? That's the very basis of law. If something is made illegal, it means you're not allowed to do it. Stealing? Sure, you can do it but you're not allowed to.
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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    In case you're not familiar with the case, there was a web site run by a sleazy and unethical man named Hunter Moore in which people angry at their ex's would post nude photos of them against their will, photos that were originally intended to be private. They were photos that usually resulted from "sexting." Very often the victims of the unwanted uploads protested and tried to get their photos removed. Moore, predictably, refused. That site was called Isanyoneup. I can say that because it's since been taken down. Moore had been confronted by some of his victims and had always shirked responsibility with the line, "I didn't upload those photos. Someone else did." Yeah, but you set up the site that encouraged them to. Fortunately, his site is now gone. He chose to get rid of it, maybe because of pressure or guilt or legal threats. I'm not sure. That's the good news. The bad news is someone else put up the same kind of site to replace it. I won't say that site's name. The twist with the new site is it includes a link to a "lawyer" that can help them get their photos removed. Of course it's not a real lawyer. It's just the site owner getting people to pay hundreds of dollars to get the photos removed that belong to them anyway and that they never authorized being published.

    The poll is whether it should be illegal to put up revenge porn sites like this. "Yes" means they should be made illegal. "No" means they should be legal.
    He should at least be held civilly liable. I believe we already have torts on the books that would cover this type of activity.

    Should it be illegal? Eh, not sure I'd go that far just yet.
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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You simply don't understand copyright law. You highlghted the wrong part. You should have emphasized this:
    Yes, obviously you have a distorted view of what it actually encompasses.

    I highlighted exactly the potion that supported the point I was making.
    So don't bother trying to tell me I highlighted the wrong portion or the portion I should have highlighted.



    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    In other words, the copyright exists whether it's registered or not. I know this for a fact. I work in photography. I have actually sued a person who used my work without my consent (and won). It's open and shut.
    As stated, your view is distorted. It is not open and shut.
    When a work is given away as a gift, without any prior agreement or attached stipulations, it belongs to the person it was given to, and they can post it online for others to view.
    You apparently want to confuse that with other issues which have their own particular set of circumstances.



    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I didn't read the rest of your wind-bag post because you're so clearly wrong on this. If you doubt me, ask a copyright attorney. He'll tell you the same thing. You own the copyright from the moment you take the picture. Registration doesn't create that ownership; the ownership already exists. Registration is a tool used to prove you own the copyright if necessary.

    In other words, you can not form a coherent argument to support your position. Nor will you provide linked to evidence to support what you previously said.
    These things are indications of a blow-hard.


    This is what I will suggest since you obvious do not know.
    Go back to your lawyer and ask the following specific question.

    "If I take a nude photo of myself for another person and give it to them without conditions, can they post is online for others to view."

    The answer will be an unmitigated "yes".






    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    No, you are doing something I don't like by defending this scum and by engaging in your idiotic Dwight Schrute impression. You are not scum, that I know of, even if you are starting to piss me off. He takes pride in ruining peoples' lives for profit. He's scum. Your callous disregard for those lives and your refusal to acknowledge privacy and copyright laws do not change the fact that he is scum; they only make you look bad for defending and supporting scum.
    No. It is as I said.
    No scum there. Just a person who does something you do not like, so you instead label him negatively.

    Funny thing. I had to look up who this Dwight Schrute character was. I didn't know as I seldom watch television or ridiculous shows as such.
    So I do not see how I could be doing an impression, let alone a idiotic impression, of a character I know nothing about. lol


    As for you statement about "refusal to acknowledge privacy and copyright laws", not true.
    There have been no such violations at this time.

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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Um, if the consequences of your encouragement are illegal then you're NOT allowed to encourage whatever you want to. Are you serious? That's the very basis of law. If something is made illegal, it means you're not allowed to do it. Stealing? Sure, you can do it but you're not allowed to.
    Hatuey, it is irrelevant whether it is illegal or not. In your statement you said he could not, this is not true, period. I can encourage anyone to do anything but there is as I have said may be consequences, legal consequences included. You can pass a law stating it is illegal to throw fish into the water from a bridge. The law is a deterrent to stop people from throwing fish off a bridge, the law itself cannot literally stop anything. Realistically speaking this will not stop everyone as some ignore the consequences. So your statement is as I said not true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Basically, that while the person given the picture owns the picture itself-- and can give it away or sell it as they please-- they don't have the legal right to make copies of it. Including selling it to the website for publication. The website has no legal right to publish the picture, and cannot obtain the legal right to publish the picture without securing the permission of the person who took it.

    Even under the copyright reforms I would like to see imposed, it wouldn't be legal for a for-profit website to distribute those pictures.
    That's the thing. People uploading their photo's and or video's (as we outlined above) to a site for free is not illegal. People upload pictures and video's on youtube etc that other people do not want shown. Since the person doing the uploading is not making a profit off those items, they are well within their rights to do so if it was sent or in any other legal way given to them. The site itself is not responsible for the content uploaded outside of copyright infringement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Thank you. It's been a long dark time, but I'm finally starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
    I am very happy to hear that. Heres to speedy progress to that light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should revenge porn web sites be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is absolutely ridiculous. Nice fallacy for lack of an argument though.
    Oh? Which fallacy would this be?

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