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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I didn't say they canceled each other out - what I meant was that each side has its own ideas, and in many cases the two side's ideas about a given issue conflict.

    One side MAY be right. But the question is....which one? Personally I lean towards the right when it comes to fiscal issues, but to the left when it comes to social issues. Of course some issues are both social AND fiscal, and in those cases I usually give the fiscal aspect more weight.
    So, which is better? Having all the social issue victories you can name and a bankrupt economy and Trillions more in debt and more than 23 million out of work and america made impotent in the world while sharks like Iran and Norko and Russia are circling?

    Or a strong economy, strong military, a dramatic increase in jobs, a decreasing deficit and debt but women have to buy their own birth control pills? (We know that Roe vs Wade WILL NOT be reversed under Romney and Romney believes in leaving matters like same sex marriage to the states to decide.)

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I was just told that the right wants people from all classes to become rich, so I assume they have something like that plan in place and ready to implement once Romney is president.
    forced redistribution only makes some artificially rich.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I was just told that the right wants people from all classes to become rich, so I assume they have something like that plan in place and ready to implement once Romney is president.
    Actually I think the line was (to paraphrase) "...the opportunity for everyone to become rich."

    That, however, also includes the opportunity for everyone to fail epically and be poor as ****.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Let's just get this out in the open;

    Those of a progressive mindset claim that a greater tax on a certain group or class, to the benefit of those beneath them is fair.

    The problem with the whole concept is that it is based on the premise that the "fairness" can only be achieved by abandoning the concept outright, and from the start.

    Is a 75% tax on someone who makes more than someone else, fair? No. If anything, it is a form of discrimination.
    Is a 5% tax on someone who makes less than someone else, fair? Again, No. It is not discrimination, but preferential treatment.

    I did housework for a lady that lived down the street from me.
    I worked at a fireworks store.
    I worked at fast-food joints, and grocery stores.
    I ended up working at a major ISP, as the highest level of engineer one can become.

    And do you know what is different between me and the progressive left? I didn't bitch about what it took for me to get there.
    If there was a problem where I was at, I went somewhere else, and never looked back. Funny, now I am at the top, and all with just a G.E.D.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    forced redistribution only makes some artificially rich.
    Everyone's taxes go to the military so we're all equally protected, so everyone's taxes can go to the education system so we can all get equal education.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    So, which is better? Having all the social issue victories you can name and a bankrupt economy and Trillions more in debt and more than 23 million out of work and america made impotent in the world while sharks like Iran and Norko and Russia are circling?

    Or a strong economy, strong military, a dramatic increase in jobs, a decreasing deficit and debt but women have to buy their own birth control pills? (We know that Roe vs Wade WILL NOT be reversed under Romney and Romney believes in leaving matters like same sex marriage to the states to decide.)
    If I thought Romney, or for that matter anyone, would do any of that, or even that congress would do so dispite whoever was pres, I might agree.

    Frankly though, I think we're going to continue on this same basic dive into a deep pit of fail no matter which of the two main party candidates take office.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually I think the line was (to paraphrase) "...the opportunity for everyone to become rich."

    That, however, also includes the opportunity for everyone to fail epically and be poor as ****.
    So the right wants everyone to have the opportunity to be rich, they just don't want an educational policy in place that can make that more likely? :/

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kr1ll1n View Post
    If they are content with their current state, than what is the problem?
    I am failing to see what you are getting at.........
    Simple. I am saying that this notion that society to be structure for the sole purpose of enabling ANYONE to attain success in the form of riches, does not take into account those that have a different philosophy of what success in life is all about. There must be a balance. Particularly when one considers the reality of the meme "anyone who wants it can be successful - iow rich" in a society. the simple fact of the matter is that this applies to a very small percentage of a society.

    I used to think that America was a true meritocracy, but it is not even close. Consider the top 5% of "upper class" (i.e. wealthy), how many of them are self made and how many of them are inherited "economic aristocracy"? the picture isn't nearly as patriotically altrusitic as the wealthy autocrats would have you believe.
    thad is not to say that there isn't the opportunity, merely that the reality of that opportunity isn't even remotely close to generalized view of the right.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Everyone's taxes go to the military so we're all equally protected, so everyone's taxes can go to the education system so we can all get equal education.
    I don't use public education. I went to a top prep school and have three ivy degrees. My son goes to the same prep school and I expect he's going to go to some eastern school depending on where he can play squash. My money still goes to public schools though I have never used them. and since I have a rather valuable piece of property and since I, along with my two brothers owned my late parents' home which was one of the more valuable pieces of property in Cincinnati for the three years we were fixing it up for sale, I have paid lots and lots and lots of property taxes-far more than the vast majority of people who use public education

    its idiotic to compare "equal protection" which is an indirect benefit with "equal education"

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    forced redistribution only makes some artificially rich.
    how do you figure that?
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