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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    The Right. It's a no brainer. The Left cares only about sticking it to wealthy Conservatives.
    the left believes in keeping the masses in poverty and dependent on rich elites who are rich through government rather than by creating anything of value

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by straykatz View Post
    I find it interesting how many toss the word communisn around like it is truly a threat to our American society.....and what's even more interesting is the people that buy into this theory.
    It is only a threat if people like you fail to recognize how morally bankrupt and unworkable it is and how unfair it is to those not in the ruling class. It doesn't take human nature into consideration and doesn't value the freedoms you obviously take for granted. Communist govenments are responsible for more than 100 Million deaths in the 20th Century. That's more than Hitler killed.


    When you take a casual view of Communism you help pave the way for others to try to make it popular.

    It's like introducing a very small amount of poison into someone's food thinking it can't hurt anything.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Your post is like the second or third I've seen in this thread which seems to wear confusion as a chic fashion statement. Both sides are not the same in their value or effect on society. Both sides views and policies and programs don't just cancel each other out and leave behind a neutral result.

    One side is better than the other and you have to be smarter than your friends and family if necessary...you have to be smarter than your co-workers, classmates and cultural icons and you have to be smarter than those courting your vote, your disposable income and your viewership. You have to be smart enough to figure out which side that is.

    We can't take another four years of this.

    One side IS better than the other.
    I didn't say they canceled each other out - what I meant was that each side has its own ideas, and in many cases the two side's ideas about a given issue conflict.

    One side MAY be right. But the question is....which one? Personally I lean towards the right when it comes to fiscal issues, but to the left when it comes to social issues. Of course some issues are both social AND fiscal, and in those cases I usually give the fiscal aspect more weight.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Have you actually read the book? do you actually know what the title refers to? this is nothing more than glennbeckian nonsense.

    Barack Obama
    This article provides a series of close readings of Barack Obama’s autobiography Dreams from My Father. It places the narrative within the history of African American literature and rhetoric and argues that Obama uses the text to create a life story that resonates with central concepts of African American selfhood and black male identity, including double consciousness, invisibility, and black nationalism. The article reads Dreams from My Father as an attempt to arrive at a state of “functional Blackness,” which moves away from questions of racial authenticity and identity politics but recognizes the narrative powers of African American literature to shape a convincing and appealing black self.

    oh please. Seinfeld? Che Guevara t-shirts (although I will bet big that 99.9% of the people wearing them have no clue that he was a murderous revolutionary basterd)?
    So, you have no problem with condemning the son for the sins of the mother? He associated with commies, so that makes him a commie?
    As I said in a previous post, he says he took those dreams as his own. And he also says when he went to college he actively and exclusively sought the companionship and counsel of Communists and revolutionaries. Why? Because he felt a kinship with them. A kinship based on a similarity between his ideas and their ideas. We choose our friends and associates based on what we have in common.

    His mother left Barack senior because he wasn't sufficiently radical. His grandparents chose as a mentor to young Barack a card carrying Communist, Frank Marshall Davis. So, it's natural he'd find Communists to associate with.

    It's not guilt by association. He actively espoused the same dreams as his father.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    What were his father’s dreams? Obama’s dad left Hawaii to do graduate work at Harvard University and then took his book learning back to Africa. In 1963 he wrote an article for the East Africa Journal called “Problems Facing Our Socialism,” where he made the case that high taxes are morally and practically good if the government uses them to provide for the people.

    And how high could tax rates rise? “Theoretically,” he wrote, “there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100 percent of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed.”

    That is not a typographical error. President Obama’s father, whose dreams he adopted, argued in a scholarly journal that a 100 percent tax rate could actually work.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    What liberals fail to understand is that the Right wants people from ALL classes to have the opportunity to BECOME rich.
    That's great!!! So is there a Republican plan in place so that all schools will receive equal taxes so that everyone, no matter where they're born, who they're born to, and what the real estate value of their community is, have access to equal education so that they can have equal opportunity to become rich?

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    What about all those people who don't lust after money and things, but who are wealthy in love respect and family - repectable working class people of specific personal ambitions that once the food is on the table and the roof stops leaking are more than content to enjoy their true "wealth"?
    If they are content with their current state, than what is the problem?
    I am failing to see what you are getting at.........

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That's great!!! So is there a Republican plan in place so that all schools will receive equal taxes so that everyone, no matter where they're born, who they're born to, and what the real estate value of their community is, have access to equal education so that they can have equal opportunity to become rich?
    Is there ANY plan, from ANYone, that does that?
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Part of the right to self determination is the ability to fail, and hopefully learn from that failure.
    I agree the best lessons in life are learned from failure. I should know, I've had a lot of them in 60 years. But then again, I've learned and have prospered.

    Are we smart enough to decide we need health insurance? no mandate it.
    No, I don't believe we are smart enough when we are young. When we are young we are going to live forever. I don't think a mandate is the way to go, I think a single payer system is the way to go.

    Can you decide how much salt to put in your food? clearly not restrict it.
    absolutely you can decide how much salt you want, but I suggest that educating the young about the consequence of such dietary choices is appropriate. And certainly informing the public of how much sodium etc is in both packaged and fast foods is a good thing for people to decide for themselves.\

    Can you raise your children the way you would like? heaven forbid no
    there should be some limitations to how you raise your children. Despite what some people might think,they are not a parents property, only their responsibility. For instance, you wouldnt approve of a father raising his female children to sexual service him. You wouldn't approve of a parent who beats their children. I know I wouldn't approve of a parent who denies a child life saving medical treatment. I also wouldn't approve of a parent who refuses to have their children vaccinated.
    Personally I completely disapprove of religious and poltical indoctrination, but I recognize in many instances the line is too subjective. That said, I beleive parents should be prevented from indocrination of their children to hate.

    Both sides, left and right restrict freedoms, and both justify it, loss of freedom is wrong ether way.
    I agree that both side restrict freedoms, but in order to live in a civil society, some freedoms must be restricted or our outright forbidden. Its a fine line, and mostly subjective, but not always - paedophilia, child porno, and other "crimes" as defined by society.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Is there ANY plan, from ANYone, that does that?
    I was just told that the right wants people from all classes to become rich, so I assume they have something like that plan in place and ready to implement once Romney is president.

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