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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    In reality neither one, but on a rare occasion that something actually happens it is more likely to come from the left than the right.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Personally I think neither care about the middle class.

    The Left needs the poor to remain poor, to retain their vote.

    The Right needs the rich to remain rich, to retain their vote.

    We keep voting for these politicians. We keep getting lied to. They keep breaking their promises. Our national debt is still rising. It wouldn't surprise me that Independants are increasing in number because they're disillusioned with both Wings. Oh, and the attack ads are still ridiculously disgusting, petty, and dishonest.

    Why should we settle for voting for the lesser of two evils? Don't we deserve better than that? So no, I'm not voting, because both candidates tow their party lines while smearing their opposing party and lying to the fools who routinely vote them into office.
    "Left" and "Right" aren't parties. They are positions on a political spectrum.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Your assertion that anyone in this country wants to weaken the US for the benefit of other nations just makes no sense. The idea that the president intentionally supports Americans being unemployed also makes no sense. Nobody wants the United States to more resemble a third world country. Not even the selfish business criminals who support the right. They just don't care about anyone else. But you attribute far too much intentional malice in your characterization of the left for it to be true.
    Are you really that oblivious as to the foundational nature of the damage an indeological mindset can do, one of either wing?

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    None of them give a ****. It's all just pandering to get more votes. The middle class makes up the largest voting demographic of the US, so of course the candidates are going to say they care about them. Neither Romney, nor Obama understand the middle class, because neither of them are middle class, and I'm willing to bet the same is true of those in Congress, and the Senate.
    Your reasoning is flawed. FDR & JFK are widely reported to have cared deeply about the poor and middle class but both were wealthy. Mitt Romney is a kind, compassionate, generous man who is widely known by those who have bothered to find out (by ignoring the cartoonish descriptions told about him by his political rivals) cares very much for his fellow man, poor, middle class and rich. But he cares without regard for their income. Those of you who believe the Axelrod created narrative about Romney are merely his tools.

    By the way, you do know about Axelrod's Communist background, right?

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Neither side of the politician group gives a flying **** about the lower or middle classes. They might give a small turd about the upper class, if only because most of them are members of such. And because they pay well.


    Individual people might care, but overall...nope.

    Now, if we’re talking a general ideology here, as in “left of center” or “right of center”, I think both ideologies care about the same, it’s just the more or less opposing sides have different ideas about what is best for you – and since in many cases those ideas are in direct conflict with each other, well…
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    "allowing" is the correct term. That is not putting impediments in the way. Allowing is not controlling. BIG difference.

    Democrats don't promise wealth to anybody regardless of who I champion. Republicans also don't promise wealth to anybody, but they are somehow infatuated with the notion that the gardener on the gated estate actually wants to have his own gated estate, that everyone craves riches, when in fact only a minority of people crave riches - the majority crave "wealth" - love, honour, respect, family - you know stuff that doesn't carry a price tag.

    I totally disagree with your statement that the middle class will have problems with Obamas programs.

    I was responding to an earlier post which stated exactly that.


    Really? well thank you for the feedback, but I think I'll keep them.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Neither side of the politician group gives a flying **** about the lower or middle classes. They might give a small turd about the upper class, if only because most of them are members of such. And because they pay well.

    Individual people might care, but overall...nope.

    Now, if we’re talking a general ideology here, as in “left of center” or “right of center”, I think both ideologies care about the same, it’s just the more or less opposing sides have different ideas about what is best for you – and since in many cases those ideas are in direct conflict with each other, well…
    Your post is like the second or third I've seen in this thread which seems to wear confusion as a chic fashion statement. Both sides are not the same in their value or effect on society. Both sides views and policies and programs don't just cancel each other out and leave behind a neutral result.

    One side is better than the other and you have to be smarter than your friends and family if necessary...you have to be smarter than your co-workers, classmates and cultural icons and you have to be smarter than those courting your vote, your disposable income and your viewership. You have to be smart enough to figure out which side that is.

    We can't take another four years of this.

    One side IS better than the other.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    The Right. It's a no brainer. The Left cares only about sticking it to wealthy Conservatives.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Nah thing is you cant use volunteers in lieu of PAYING WORKERS when your a pig sucking profits from people because they MUST HAVE ELECTRICITY...see got it yet...understand and oh btw no one wants to be you turtle no one...
    massive psychobabble alert

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Hardly. The wealth pools at the top in the current crony capitalist economy in an entirely unnatural way due to the corrupt use of government to serve the needs of the business elite. A true libertarian economy, like medieval Iceland for example, favors income equality.

    These are things you learn to understand when you study libertarianism academically instead of going about it in a slipshod, unthinking, half-republican sort of way.
    I have yet to see anything in your posts that really demonstrate that you can teach real libertarians about the philosophy. Most libertarians on this forum have constantly taken your posts to task for being faux-libertarian positions or downright contradictory to the philosophy

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