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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    I think that's sort of unrealistic, because unfortunately for the capitalist mechanism in the US to work, there has to be a rich class and that has to be a poor class. Everyone cannot be rich and along the lines of what Jonsa said, not everyone has the capacity, the access, or even the desire to be rich. The Right's rhetoric may be that of equal opportunity, but there is a lot of the Right's ideology that is detrimental to that notion.
    I'm glad to be the one to bring to your attention the answer to what seems your chicken first or egg first type of conundrum.

    It's not that the big, bad, rich, Conservative meanies MADE the distribution of wealth the way it is, the Conservatives simply evolved a system that takes advantage of what naturally happens in life.


    It is common knowledge that in school as in life, there are about 15% -20% of high achieving individuals and 15% - 20% of low achievers. Everyone else falls somewhere in the middle.

    There is nothing about the Right's ideology that prevents poor or middle class people from improving their station in life.

    But there is a great deal about the Left's ideology that actively encourages people to settle for dependence on the government.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    In a real world examination of this, it is impossible that everyone will become rich. Some simply can't do it because they haven't the intelligence or skill or work ethic or personal economy or luck or ambition to become rich. Some people realize they're unlikely to become rich and they become resigned to that. Some have a personal philosophy against riches...some of those adopted this philosophy from Bible verses on money and wealth.

    But, what makes and what made America truly exceptional is that we value each and every life and we believe freedom is everyone's birthright and not a gift from government and that in America there is no barrier to becoming rich for those with the wherewithal and the desire to become rich.

    And the American dream isn't only about becoming rich. It's about leading a better life and lifestyle and moving from government dependence to self sufficiency. It's about getting a job and then getting promoted. It's about studying and getting a better education and moving up the ladder and becoming more comfrtable and being able to do more for others. Americans, after all, aere the most charitable society and Republicans the biggest charitable givers.
    You have to also look at what the Right is doing and wanting to do. They say they don't want people dependent on the government, which is great, but at the same time they also don't want to broaden channels to weaning people off of entitlements: not wanting minimum wage increases (in fact, wanting wage decreases), wanting less support for public education, not wanting universal healthcare, all factors that in some way affect a person's financial livelihood. If people are criticized for being dependent on government, but also not given the proper access or the proper opportunity to actually uplift themselves, then obviously they won't. I mean, you can't expect people to become self-sufficient when they have almost no means of doing so.


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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    What liberals fail to understand is that the Right wants people from ALL classes to have the opportunity to BECOME rich.

    That's part of the American dream.

    But the Obama administration seems to want everybdy to be equal. Equally miserable in a lukewarm pile of economic manure called government assistance.

    America was not built on the Obama model or the Left wing model or the Progressive model. It was built on the Conservative model.
    The message I've heard from Obama is that he wants everyone to have an equal and fair chance....what's wrong with that?

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by gmeyers1944 View Post
    The political right knows that it takes entrepreneurs to have enough money to hire more people. The political left wants government to create jobs somehow.
    Which is why Romney's blaming Obama for not creating jobs and saying he'll do it?

    Think about it for a second. Government doesn't create jobs means the President can't create jobs.

    I've come to the conclusion listening to Romney that he really believes he can. Which is why he'll fail. He's a big-government guy same as Obama.


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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
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    LOL

    But it's certainly an interesting discussion, don't you think? Especially since both candidates of the GOP and Dem parties are screaming at each other about who cares about the middle class more.


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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    You have to also look at what the Right is doing and wanting to do. They say they don't want people dependent on the government, which is great, but at the same time they also don't want to broaden channels to weaning people off of entitlements: not wanting minimum wage increases (in fact, wanting wage decreases), wanting less support for public education, not wanting universal healthcare, all factors that in some way affect a person's financial livelihood. If people are criticized for being dependent on government, but also not given the proper access or the proper opportunity to actually uplift themselves, then obviously they won't. I mean, you can't expect people to become self-sufficient when they have almost no means of doing so.
    The right, like the left, thinks of the middle class as a labor force. Neither side really wants the middle class to become independent. The difference between Romney and Obama is that Romney wants to increase people's dependence on corporations.


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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    So in order to allow anyone from any class to become "rich" you abandon or ignore all those people who do not have the intellectual capacity, the circumstance, the physical capacity, the education to become "rich"? What about all those people who don't lust after money and things, but who are wealthy in love respect and family - repectable working class people of specific personal ambitions that once the food is on the table and the roof stops leaking are more than content to enjoy their true "wealth"?

    That the right requires the rich to remain rich is essential the same thing as a class of inherited power/wealth which is NOT the definition of a republic. Ironic, eh?
    Your post suggests you are a liberal to the core! A true believer. You think in terms of ALLOWING people to become rich. Conservatives don't think in those terms. In fact, the very idea of controlling people as your post mentions, is detested by Conservatives. And I think you could search long and hard and not find a more compassionate and giving human being than Mitt Romney. No one is talking about abandoning those who are unable to do for themselves. But, neither does the Democrat party promise wealth to those you champion in your post. In fact, the Dems' policies will become a major problem for those middle class citizens once the reality of Obama's programs becomes known to all.

    And, to conclude your post, you once again reveal your dyed-in-the-wool liberalism by assuming the Right can or does "require" any such non-sensical thing as requiring the rich to remain rich.


    Your notions are faulty.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Personally I think neither care about the middle class.

    The Left needs the poor to remain poor, to retain their vote.

    The Right needs the rich to remain rich, to retain their vote.

    We keep voting for these politicians. We keep getting lied to. They keep breaking their promises. Our national debt is still rising. It wouldn't surprise me that Independants are increasing in number because they're disillusioned with both Wings. Oh, and the attack ads are still ridiculously disgusting, petty, and dishonest.

    Why should we settle for voting for the lesser of two evils? Don't we deserve better than that? So no, I'm not voting, because both candidates tow their party lines while smearing their opposing party and lying to the fools who routinely vote them into office.
    You are sadly mistaken if you think one party cares more or less about the middle class.Democrats enjoy tossing the salad of businesses just as much as republicans do.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Which is why Romney's blaming Obama for not creating jobs and saying he'll do it?

    Think about it for a second. Government doesn't create jobs means the President can't create jobs.

    I've come to the conclusion listening to Romney that he really believes he can. Which is why he'll fail. He's a big-government guy same as Obama.
    Romney has made it clear, all along, that he will create an economic and political climate that will encourage the private sector to create the jobs. Something he knows how to do very well. And something Obama not only hasn't a clue about, but something Obama is philosophically opposed to.

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