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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more idiocy....

    we all have the same military blanket

    you can not do that unless everyone attends the same school

    try again
    Or schools with the same funding, at which point taking out all our national wrath on teachers will actually have any meaning.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    so you don't have any certifications. you haven't taken any vendor courses? good for you. You are a very very rare exception.
    No, not an exception. Companies got bit in the ass hiring paper-mill certified folks, and started valuing experience over the prior.
    Even the folks I work with have minimal, if any, certifications.

    I am currently engineering solutions to serve 2-2.5 million customers.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Or schools with the same funding, at which point taking out all our national wrath on teachers will actually have any meaning.
    some of the worst schools in cincinnati spend more per student than some of the best performing schools in outlying areas. One of the reasons why is that the parents of the suburban schools tend to value education, don't tend to be criminals, drug addicts or not married etc.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    some of the worst schools in cincinnati spend more per student than some of the best performing schools in outlying areas. One of the reasons why is that the parents of the suburban schools tend to value education, don't tend to be criminals, drug addicts or not married etc.
    And yet, oddly enough, the norm is for the most highly funded schools to have the best quality, because they can afford the best facilities, teachers and materials (like yourself). And of course only a limited number of people can actually afford to live in those communities so overcrowding is rare. But I'll bite, what's your link?

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kr1ll1n View Post
    No, not an exception. Companies got bit in the ass hiring paper-mill certified folks, and started valuing experience over the prior.
    Even the folks I work with have minimal, if any, certifications.

    I am currently engineering solutions to serve 2-2.5 million customers.
    okay. you aren't the exception. I won't argue. I refrain from hypothesizing about how you acquired your knowledge.

    I myself rose inthe ranks so to speak without a degree and reached Senior VP level, much to the chagrin of my competition, since I did not try to keep my formal education credential secret. Its just that I did it in sales/marketing, and for the more senior technical positions I dealt with (my career was in high tech software) they all had at least some sort of technical certification.

    Good on ya.
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And yet, oddly enough, the norm is for the most highly funded schools to have the best quality, because they can afford the best facilities, teachers and materials (like yourself). And of course, because only a limited number of people can actually afford to live in those communities so overcrowding is rare. But I'll bite, what's your link?
    do you have proof of that claim?

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    My education was, as public education goes, actually quite good. I was fortunate enough to come out of a vagina that happened to live in a fairly high real estate value community. But I've also seen and worked in plenty of communities whose schools were so abysmal that their students' advantages could be nowhere close to mine. All because those students were stupid enough to choose the wrong vagina to be born from.

    And yes, high real estate values make it an exclusive club. If you can't afford to rent or buy property there, that's the end of that.
    So how did those families get to live in those neighborhoods?

    They followed the Romney plan, which is and has been the American plan. The only ones who are born there are people like you who were born there. LOL

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If I thought Romney, or for that matter anyone, would do any of that, or even that congress would do so dispite whoever was pres, I might agree.

    Frankly though, I think we're going to continue on this same basic dive into a deep pit of fail no matter which of the two main party candidates take office.
    So, you were ready, willing and eager to believe Obama's sales pitch without the first indication he'd be able to make good on his promises for hope and change. But, when Mitt Romney comes along with promises for real hope and change and he backs up his promises with a stellar resume full of real and significant and apectacular examples of real successes doing EXACTLY what we'd be hiring him to do for us, you just can't buy his promise.

    This proves just how bad a number the Obama campaign laid on the unsuspecting American voters.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Personally I think neither care about the middle class.

    The Left needs the poor to remain poor, to retain their vote.

    The Right needs the rich to remain rich, to retain their vote.

    We keep voting for these politicians. We keep getting lied to. They keep breaking their promises. Our national debt is still rising. It wouldn't surprise me that Independants are increasing in number because they're disillusioned with both Wings. Oh, and the attack ads are still ridiculously disgusting, petty, and dishonest.

    Why should we settle for voting for the lesser of two evils? Don't we deserve better than that? So no, I'm not voting, because both candidates tow their party lines while smearing their opposing party and lying to the fools who routinely vote them into office.
    I would reject the premise of the question: there is no "middle class", broadly speaking.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Great, so everyone can move into the same several-dozen communities with the best schools.

    Why do you think we have zoning laws regarding lot sizes? Do you think we want blue collar factory workers moving into our neighborhoods?

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