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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Spending more money on the Pub Ed system will not fix the problem.

    The problem is in a large part the support sytem OUTSIDE the school system. Lack of parental guidence, lack of a real home life, etc...

    Now, that is not to say such issues cannot be overcome, nor that kids without those issues to deal with cannot fail as well...but it is a major issue IMO - and one which more education funding will not fix.
    exactly ,,,,,

    many deems want to throw more money at it because that money mainly goes to the teachers' unions which in turn are major supporters of the DNC

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You have no concept of what I understand. but then again, its that liberal attitude again-pretending you know what someone else knows more than they do
    Maybe you understand the topic with a clarity and breadth that far supercedes anything we poor dullards have to work with, but nothing you've said actually suggests this.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Maybe you understand the topic with a clarity and breadth that far supercedes anything we poor dullards have to work with, but nothing you've said actually suggests this.
    Right back at you Your comparison of the military which is a indirect benefit versus individual education was idiotic

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    exactly ,,,,,

    many deems want to throw more money at it because that money mainly goes to the teachers' unions which in turn are major supporters of the DNC
    Main reason:

    Money is EASY.

    Throw money, say "i did ****", get relected, done.

    Actually fixing something? That's ****in hard, and you'll piss off people.

    Lazy ass ****in assholes in office.
    Education.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    As I said in a previous post, he says he took those dreams as his own. And he also says when he went to college he actively and exclusively sought the companionship and counsel of Communists and revolutionaries. Why? Because he felt a kinship with them. A kinship based on a similarity between his ideas and their ideas. We choose our friends and associates based on what we have in common.

    His mother left Barack senior because he wasn't sufficiently radical. His grandparents chose as a mentor to young Barack a card carrying Communist, Frank Marshall Davis. So, it's natural he'd find Communists to associate with.

    It's not guilt by association. He actively espoused the same dreams as his father.
    So what you are saying is that the president of the united states is a commie. Okay I understand where you are coming from. I believe its called lala land.
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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I have no idea.

    Personally, I'd say any reasonable person, whether left or right, would think that our current public education system is a POS and needs fixed.

    But no politicians are going to touch it, except on a local or possibly state level. Politicians don't touch issues that people actually care about if they can help it.

    Random wars around the world? We don't actually care, it's kinda like reality TV on a large scale for us.

    But try to fix the issues with Social Security, or any number of other social programs and the like that actually directly effect people? Holy hell you'll see an uproar.
    I doubt the political motivation is there to switch educational taxation from local community real estate value-based to a nationalized education system, which is a pity.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually I think the line was (to paraphrase) "...the opportunity for everyone to become rich."

    That, however, also includes the opportunity for everyone to fail epically and be poor as ****.
    That writer (if you paraphrase accurately) should have written, "the opportunity for ANYONE to become rich."

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    That writer (if you paraphrase accurately) should have written, "the opportunity for ANYONE to become rich."
    While I appreciate the semantic difference, it still doesn't erase the fact that their policies help only those in the highest real estate communities to become rich.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    While I appreciate the semantic difference, it still doesn't erase the fact that their policies help only those in the highest real estate communities to become rich.
    so what? people work hard to move to areas with good schools. I cannot tell you how many people I know who say the reason why they moved to a community is that "the schools are good". why should someone who works hard and sacrifices have to see that sacrifice go nowhere?

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I doubt the political motivation is there to switch educational taxation from local community real estate value-based to a nationalized education system, which is a pity.
    I think it's been proven in a study that locally directed educational standards and administration is best. As for the funding, I don't know. What are the pros and cons of that?

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