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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't use public education.
    If you're going to go with an anecdotal argument then yours by definition disqualifies you from the discussion.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So the right wants everyone to have the opportunity to be rich, they just don't want an educational policy in place that can make that more likely? :/
    I have no idea.

    Personally, I'd say any reasonable person, whether left or right, would think that our current public education system is a POS and needs fixed.

    But no politicians are going to touch it, except on a local or possibly state level. Politicians don't touch issues that people actually care about if they can help it.

    Random wars around the world? We don't actually care, it's kinda like reality TV on a large scale for us.

    But try to fix the issues with Social Security, or any number of other social programs and the like that actually directly effect people? Holy hell you'll see an uproar.
    Education.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If you're going to go with an anecdotal argument then yours by definition disqualifies you from the discussion.
    that is stupid. your analogy was really silly

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the left believes in keeping the masses in poverty and dependent on rich elites who are rich through government rather than by creating anything of value
    Ha ha.

    How many of the right have gotten rich because of the government? Let's see.

    the military industrial complex.
    national engineering and construction
    international engineering and contruction
    American prisons

    shall I go on?

    what a hypocritical view, divorced from reality.
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is stupid. your analogy was really silly
    None of your eighty-seven ivy degrees have prepared you to understand this topic. But keep slamming away at your keyboard, they at least taught you how to type well enough.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I have no idea.

    Personally, I'd say any reasonable person, whether left or right, would think that our current public education system is a POS and needs fixed.

    But no politicians are going to touch it, except on a local or possibly state level. Politicians don't touch issues that people actually care about if they can help it.

    Random wars around the world? We don't actually care, it's kinda like reality TV on a large scale for us.

    But try to fix the issues with Social Security, or any number of other social programs and the like that actually directly effect people? Holy hell you'll see an uproar.
    You can spend 100K a year on some students but if they are stoned, the single parent home is run by a crack ho, and their peers call them "uncle tom" if they try to make good grades, you aren't going to create many successful students from people dealing with that environment

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You don't understand the topic.
    You have no concept of what I understand. but then again, its that liberal attitude again-pretending you know what someone else knows more than they do

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kr1ll1n View Post
    Let's just get this out in the open;

    Those of a progressive mindset claim that a greater tax on a certain group or class, to the benefit of those beneath them is fair.

    The problem with the whole concept is that it is based on the premise that the "fairness" can only be achieved by abandoning the concept outright, and from the start.

    Is a 75% tax on someone who makes more than someone else, fair? No. If anything, it is a form of discrimination.
    Is a 5% tax on someone who makes less than someone else, fair? Again, No. It is not discrimination, but preferential treatment.

    I did housework for a lady that lived down the street from me.
    I worked at a fireworks store.
    I worked at fast-food joints, and grocery stores.
    I ended up working at a major ISP, as the highest level of engineer one can become.

    And do you know what is different between me and the progressive left? I didn't bitch about what it took for me to get there.
    If there was a problem where I was at, I went somewhere else, and never looked back. Funny, now I am at the top, and all with just a G.E.D.
    and naturally you are indicative of everyone.
    I'll bet that you rose in the ranks by taking company sponsored courses. Are you MS certified? or do you contend your brilliance was the sole factor in your success?
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You can spend 100K a year on some students but if they are stoned, the single parent home is run by a crack ho, and their peers call them "uncle tom" if they try to make good grades, you aren't going to create many successful students from people dealing with that environment
    Spending more money on the Pub Ed system will not fix the problem.

    The problem is in a large part the support sytem OUTSIDE the school system. Lack of parental guidence, lack of a real home life, etc...

    Now, that is not to say such issues cannot be overcome, nor that kids without those issues to deal with cannot fail as well...but it is a major issue IMO - and one which more education funding will not fix.
    Education.

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    Re: Which Party Values the Middle Class More?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    None of your eighty-seven ivy degrees have prepared you to understand this topic. But keep slamming away at your keyboard, they at least taught you how to type well enough.
    I really couldn't care what a far lefty says I understand, the topic is about which side values the middle class more and the left clearly has a vested interest in keeping people mired in dependency

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