View Poll Results: Is patriotism overrated?

Voters
48. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    28 58.33%
  • No

    14 29.17%
  • Other (explain)

    6 12.50%
Page 7 of 9 FirstFirst ... 56789 LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 83

Thread: Is patriotism overrated?

  1. #61
    Professor
    zstep18's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Somewhere
    Last Seen
    02-24-14 @ 02:29 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,770

    Re: Is patriotism overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Of course someone who uses their religion to pussy out would disgree with me that using your religion to weasel out of military service is ****ty thing to do.
    I'm not a Quaker.

  2. #62
    
    TheGirlNextDoor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    09-24-14 @ 02:31 AM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    20,033
    Blog Entries
    21

    Re: Is patriotism overrated?

    There is a distinct difference between patriotism and nationalism. What you've described is more geared toward nationalism. A true patriot loves their country, yet holds heads of state accountable and will protest against those heads of state when they believe they are not doing things in the best interest of the country and its people.

    I'm a patriot in the sense that I stand up for what I believe is in the best interests of America's people... and while there are nationalists that think their country can do no wrong, I don't believe that number to be that high.
    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice....shame on me.

  3. #63
    Politically Correct

    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:55 AM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,855
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: Is patriotism overrated?

    Patriotism to the point where you are defending things that shouldn't be defended, yes.

    Look at our Constitution. We were given the freedom of speech so we could speak out against the government. The 2nd amendment so we could stand up against it if we need to. We are children of political revolution. There are many reasons to love the USA, and no doubt virtually everyone on this board does, but we shouldn't take it overboard, because there are valid things to criticize as well.
    (avatar by Thomas Nast)

  4. #64
    Demented Lycanthropist
    wolfman24's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    East Waboo USA
    Last Seen
    02-14-17 @ 01:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    5,058
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Is patriotism overrated?

    I am not sure this is going to come out right, but yes I think it is. In my mind a patriot is someone who does something FOR his country just not living here. You can love your country and obey its laws and enjoy its freedoms but does that make you a patriot. the minutemen were patriots and heros. Cops and fireman could be called heros. The soldiers and alot of other people.

    If you live here and love your country and are loyal to it and obey its laws, that makes you a citizen but not necessarily a patriot.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

    "There are those who will debate the necessity of wilderness, I will not, either you know it in your bones or you are very very old". Aldo Leopold - Sand County Almanac

  5. #65
    Pathetic Douchebag
    Cilogy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Texas
    Last Seen
    10-10-14 @ 05:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    1,587

    Re: Is patriotism overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    We're really getting to the point where the problems we face as a species or as a world are far more pressing than any problems we might face as a nation. Most of our problems (climate change, nuclear proliferation, terrorism, energy production) are all problems with a global scale. The causes and effects of these problems stretch well beyond our national borders. Thinking of country first and world second is a counterproductive stance to take. To help the country, one must help the world.
    Thank you so much, I was going to articulate something like this, but you hit it on the head.

    I really think putting our country first doesn't promote a real transformation of the global community. That's especially true when so many of our most pressing problems are either created by too much patriotism/nationalism or affecting a majority of our society. The way I see it, thinking of country first is slowly becoming outdated and as you said, counterproductive.

    By the way, I was sort of using patriotism as an umbrella term for it and nationalism, I understand those words could be used differently, but essentially touch on similar concepts. Both recognize country as an important thing, maybe even more important than most things, which is something I think is a necessary evil considering the status quo, but something we need to leave behind eventually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Triumphant returns are overrated.

    Doubly so when there is no triumph.
    'Twas a joke.


  6. #66
    Antichrist
    zgoldsmith23's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    TN
    Last Seen
    11-06-17 @ 12:13 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    7,692

    Re: Is patriotism overrated?

    I'm sorry, I thought this was America.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I've never denied my own hackish tendencies
    Quote Originally Posted by Pin dÁr View Post
    scientific by itself isn't enough of course.
    Quote Originally Posted by blaxshep View Post
    Not all Nazis were bad people

  7. #67
    Angry Former GOP Voter
    Fiddytree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:51 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    25,703

    Re: Is patriotism overrated?

    No, it's not overrated. It's damned good.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

  8. #68
    Angry Former GOP Voter
    Fiddytree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:51 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    25,703

    Re: Is patriotism overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I view patriotism and nationalism as two different things. Being a nationalist is what you described as chanting "USA USA!" very lowdly or saying "my country is the best". I believe that is nationalism. And American Exceptionalism falls under this in my opinion.
    Being a patriot in my opinion is looking out for what is best for your country, trying to make your country better, speaking out when you believe your country is wrong. Being a patriot is not someone thinking their country is best no matter what, or the whole "my country right or wrong" attitude.
    I like nationalism, and so should lefties. It binds people together under a national identity and is immensely useful for self-determination. Its extremes can be deterred without killing the entire concept.

    There's nothing wrong with the concept American exceptionalism. People get it all twisted in their heads. Right-wingers have turned it into only meaning "being the best" and Left-wingers have mutated it into being mindlessness. It's not.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

  9. #69
    Iconoclast
    DaveFagan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    wny
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:45 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    7,307

    Re: Is patriotism overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't think patriotism is loyalty to 300 million people. I think it's loyalty to my country and everything it stands for.
    What the country stands for:
    Do you mean?

    Torture
    Warring against Enemies that are no threat i.e. Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Grenada, Panama
    Protecting crooked bankers, "too big to fail."
    Allowing "Energy Politics" to mismanage our Nation
    Ignoring Global Warming

    Those are the significant issues.

  10. #70
    Sage


    MaggieD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Chicago Area
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    43,243
    Blog Entries
    43

    Re: Is patriotism overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    What the country stands for:
    Do you mean?

    Torture
    Warring against Enemies that are no threat i.e. Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Grenada, Panama
    Protecting crooked bankers, "too big to fail."
    Allowing "Energy Politics" to mismanage our Nation
    Ignoring Global Warming

    Those are the significant issues.
    Wow. See I think what we stand for is a voice of reason in a world filled with hatred and oppression. Our country is a voice for every people on earth who want freedom instead of servitude. An example, that with all our faults, we are ultimately the most free people in the world. That democracy works. A message to dictators around the world that we are watching. And a message that we will spend our money and our soldiers will shed blood to help their people and protect the United States of America.

    We make mistakes. Politics often gets in the way of ideals. But, in the end, we are the greatest nation on planet earth.

    Yankee Doodle over and out.
    The devil whispered in my ear, "You cannot withstand the storm." I whispered back, "I am ​the storm."

Page 7 of 9 FirstFirst ... 56789 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •