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    Re: Should Taxpayers pay to rebuild homes after Hurricane Sandy?

    Not to sound cold hearted and soulless, but I AM a ginger, but it's the responsibility of home owners to have insurance, not the responsibility of the government to pay for the lack of responsibility of its citizens.
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    Re: Should Taxpayers pay to rebuild homes after Hurricane Sandy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Another deflection Attempt from Your Own "common issue".
    Many states had unprecedented damage.

    EDIT /over]
    I expect many more "unprecedented" weather events in the future. NYC has been hit 2 years in a row. That seems "uncommon" to you?

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    Re: Should Taxpayers pay to rebuild homes after Hurricane Sandy?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I Expect many more "unprecedented" weather events in the future. NYC has been hit 2 years in a row. That seems "uncommon" to you?
    As a matter of fact yes, and I had just remarked so in the Main string on this!
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    Two years in a Row now Midlantic/NY/NE region is preparing for a late October Hurricane-like Storm.
    After living a Lifetime here with virtually No such events, it's Amazing to be prepping again...
    IOW, Being a good twice the age of most posters here I can say 2 in a row after 60 without, IS Uncommon.

    If you are expecting changing weather patterns or more freakish weather due to Warming/AGW I think many, including myself, agree.
    But that does't make any event more predictable, but less so.

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    Bottom Line: I feel if we are going to have ANY Federal disaster aid, this easily/necessarily qualifies.
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    Re: Should Taxpayers pay to rebuild homes after Hurricane Sandy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course we should. We're a country. We strive together. We help our neighbors and our countrymen (and women, but countrypeople is a linguistic abomination). How can a person claim to love America yet harbor such disdain for so many Americans?
    Disdain for so many Americans? Easy, a very large number of them are liberal/progressive/socialist scumbags that refuse to take responsibility for themselves and their actions and constantly harp that we should steal money from others to pay for them instead of them earning something themselves.

    Too stupid, lazy or ignorant to have good insurance on your home, a major, major dollar investment, then too bad, to sad, live with the results of your own choices.

    If you live on a coast and don't have storm insurance, your stupid. This was a hurricane, but damaging storms hit all coastal areas at one time or another.

    It is not disdain to not want to carry around the weight of deadbeats. It is not disdain to want people to take responsibility for their own actions/choices and want them to live with the results, good or bad.

    Give them a means to make it back on their own labor/money, sure. Pay for it or do it for them, **** No.
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    Re: Should Taxpayers pay to rebuild homes after Hurricane Sandy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Our government would be better off buying insurance policies (with taxpayer funds) that cover disaster areas rather than paying out of taxpayers' pockets after the fact, in my opinion. With all the bureaucracy that's in FEMA and other disaster-relief programs, an insurer would underwrite risks much better and more efficiently than our government can self-insure.

    FEMA's budget (alone) is upwards of $13 billion a year. My mom having had experience with FEMA shows me there is so much fraud and waste involved in claims management that taxpayers are not getting half-enough bang for their buck.

    FEMA tells us that they have adequate funds to cover this disaster -- they're planning on $3.6 billion. What did they do with the other $10 billion this year? Well, at least part of it went to pay their 7,400 employees. Government cannot do things as efficiently as the private sector.

    Edit: Having the private sector insure these losses would entail people being forced to insure their own risks to a greater extent than they do now -- flood zones/hurricane alleys/forest fires/etc.

    Re-edit: FEMA said it has a total inventory of more than 5 million liters of water, 3 million meals, 900,000 blankets and 100,000 cots at its distribution centers throughout the nation. This reserve is chicken feed.
    As to your first para I think this may be the answer but I do not know that much about it. As to the rest, these supplies are supplemented by the DOD and other agencies.
    As to the fraud and waste. Well I think the revamped FEMA is doing alot better job than that group of clowns that screwed up Katrina
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    Re: Should Taxpayers pay to rebuild homes after Hurricane Sandy?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Do you have any idea how much flood insurance costs and the escape clauses in them. Thesee people have never had a need (except those right on the shore) for such insurance. A middle class family could not afford it and forget about the lower class they have to eat.

    I believe the last storm of this size to reach NJ was 50 years ago and it was nothing like this one.

    My answer would be as you said low cost loans and some kind of subsidized funding for homes that are certified as totalled so that these people have a chance at rebuilding. For those whose houses are totalled and the people want to move, the some kind of low cost mortgage.

    Under ordinary circumstances like around the Mississippi where flooding is common or along the Florida coast I would agree completely with you. Buy what you need because these people choose to live in a hazardous area.

    The people in question (again except along the shore) did not and so they should be given some type of a break.

    ....I specifically said early in the thread that I supported low-interest loans for those who lose their homes. I also said I support other forms of aid. I simply don't support funding the rebuilding or restructuring of homes that should have had private insurance coverage on them.
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    Re: Should Taxpayers pay to rebuild homes after Hurricane Sandy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Disasters happen.
    Therefore get insurance. Selfish would be admitting the above, and then NOT getting insurance. The opposite of what you claim.

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    Re: Should Taxpayers pay to rebuild homes after Hurricane Sandy?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    My insurance covers structural damage related to shifts or movements of the top soil caused by both natural seismic activity and also by man-made instability related to ongoing natural gas extraction and frakking.
    You need that in Plano.

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    Re: Should Taxpayers pay to rebuild homes after Hurricane Sandy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Our government would be better off buying insurance policies (with taxpayer funds) that cover disaster areas rather than paying out of taxpayers' pockets after the fact, in my opinion. With all the bureaucracy that's in FEMA and other disaster-relief programs, an insurer would underwrite risks much better and more efficiently than our government can self-insure.

    FEMA's budget (alone) is upwards of $13 billion a year. My mom having had experience with FEMA shows me there is so much fraud and waste involved in claims management that taxpayers are not getting half-enough bang for their buck.

    FEMA tells us that they have adequate funds to cover this disaster -- they're planning on $3.6 billion. What did they do with the other $10 billion this year? Well, at least part of it went to pay their 7,400 employees. Government cannot do things as efficiently as the private sector.

    Edit: Having the private sector insure these losses would entail people being forced to insure their own risks to a greater extent than they do now -- flood zones/hurricane alleys/forest fires/etc.

    Re-edit: FEMA said it has a total inventory of more than 5 million liters of water, 3 million meals, 900,000 blankets and 100,000 cots at its distribution centers throughout the nation. This reserve is chicken feed.
    Sorry Maggs, I cannot agree with your first paragraph. It is never the governments job or role to protect people from themselves and to eliminate/reduce the consequences of an individuals choices/stupidity. There is absolutely no way to stop stupid people from being stupid and the government should never even try to. While it may sound cruel, it is often better to let people suffer from their choices so they learn not to do the same thing again than it is to take away that suffering and teach them that the government is always there to protect them if they make bad choices.
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    Re: Should Taxpayers pay to rebuild homes after Hurricane Sandy?

    Well, FEMA still has all those unused trailers from Katrina they are still working on the paperwork to distribute to those displaced by the Katrina hurricane. How long ago was that anyway?

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