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Thread: What form of Government was the US founded as?

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    Re: What form of Government was the US founded as?

    I think the whole "the US is not a direct and pure democracy (and was not planned as such)!!" thing is dumb. Like, who doesn't know that. At what primary school grade do we learn about rights and representation.

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    Re: What form of Government was the US founded as?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, they STATED that. But then, so does Vladimir Putin. The reality was that only 5-15% of the population of the United States had a voice in their government at the time of the Constitution...that looks a lot like an oligarchy to me.
    So are you saying they intended an oligarchy? Or are you not in the comprehension of that things didn't go as quickly as they do today?
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT on Nov 8th, 2012 View Post
    Over the next four years the economy will continue to rebound and we will gradually get deficits under control. The real esate market will rebound, unemployment will fall to 6.5% or below, and GDP growth will stand at 3.5 - 4%. We won't be in any wars. And conservatives will still be whining.

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    Re: What form of Government was the US founded as?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    A limited government, as the founders intended. I'm waiting for those who ignorantly think we are a democracy.
    Better than those wannabe pedants who think we aren't:

    de·moc·ra·cy   [dih-mok-ruh-see] Show IPA
    noun, plural de·moc·ra·cies.
    1.
    government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
    2.
    a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.
    3.
    a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
    4.
    political or social equality; democratic spirit.
    5.
    the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.
    Democracy | Define Democracy at Dictionary.com


    A representative republic falls within the scope of the definition of democracy. The poll should have been multi-choice. The U.S. is a democracy, and more specifically it is a republic.

    Why is this question being considered over and over and over? Are people feeling insecure and wanting to seem to establish their intellectual bona fides by demonstrating their rather limited grasp of the history of government?
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    Re: What form of Government was the US founded as?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, they STATED that. But then, so does Vladimir Putin. The reality was that only 5-15% of the population of the United States had a voice in their government at the time of the Constitution...that looks a lot like an oligarchy to me.
    No. It was a Limited Republic, which is what it should still be. However, as we've opened the Right to Vote up to more and more groups of people, the quality of the voting pool has been greatly dilluted and that has done significant damage to the country as a whole.

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    Re: What form of Government was the US founded as?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    So are you saying they intended an oligarchy? Or are you not in the comprehension of that things didn't go as quickly as they do today?
    I think they intended to have a society that was led by white, property-owning males...essentially the elite class of their era. I would call that an oligarchy.
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    Re: What form of Government was the US founded as?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Better than those wannabe pedants who think we aren't:


    Democracy | Define Democracy at Dictionary.com


    A representative republic falls within the scope of the definition of democracy. The poll should have been multi-choice. The U.S. is a democracy, and more specifically it is a republic.

    Why is this question being considered over and over and over? Are people feeling insecure and wanting to seem to establish their intellectual bona fides by demonstrating their rather limited grasp of the history of government?
    Tell me where in the founding docs it mentions "democracy". Democracy is where the majority rules. A Republic is where there is a law, and a limited government.
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT on Nov 8th, 2012 View Post
    Over the next four years the economy will continue to rebound and we will gradually get deficits under control. The real esate market will rebound, unemployment will fall to 6.5% or below, and GDP growth will stand at 3.5 - 4%. We won't be in any wars. And conservatives will still be whining.

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    Re: What form of Government was the US founded as?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think they intended to have a society that was led by white, property-owning males...essentially the elite class of their era. I would call that an oligarchy.
    Wow, you are really ignorant of our founding fathers. That is in no way the truth.
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT on Nov 8th, 2012 View Post
    Over the next four years the economy will continue to rebound and we will gradually get deficits under control. The real esate market will rebound, unemployment will fall to 6.5% or below, and GDP growth will stand at 3.5 - 4%. We won't be in any wars. And conservatives will still be whining.

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    Re: What form of Government was the US founded as?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think the whole "the US is not a direct and pure democracy (and was not planned as such)!!" thing is dumb. Like, who doesn't know that. At what primary school grade do we learn about rights and representation.
    Thank you. My thoughts exactly.
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    Re: What form of Government was the US founded as?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    Wow, you are really ignorant of our founding fathers. That is in no way the truth.
    True. However, from my readings on those individuals, they were not in favor of allowing the bulk of the unwashed, uneducated, and uninformed citizens, who really have made no investment in society have a say in how things are run, either.

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    Re: What form of Government was the US founded as?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It was founded as an oligarchy, because only about 5-15% of the people living within the United States were eligible to vote at the time the Constitution was ratified. Since then, it has evolved into a representative republic.
    your correct, on the voting part ..........Madison says in the federalist papers only people who have property and pay taxes can vote......it does not mention race or gender.

    according too Madison, if people with no stake in our government ever get a vote, they will vote for those who promise them the most from the public trough, and take everything from those who have a stake, ....and bankruptcy follows.


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