View Poll Results: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

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  • I am a citizen of a socialist country and like it

    4 14.81%
  • I have spent time in a socialist country and socialism is gravy

    2 7.41%
  • No, but I have a Che Guevara T-shirt

    3 11.11%
  • I have, and socialism is awful

    4 14.81%
  • I'm a red-blooded American, to hell with those pinko commies

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    I voted yesterday in liberal Illinois... and I had to show an ID card.

    Just saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    And so are you.

    You have need of security - police provide it locally, FBI federally, CIA and Armed forces internationally.
    You have need of roads
    You have need of airports
    You have need of food - distributed by others catering to your needs.

    You and everyone else with half a brain object to the freeloaders. The difference is that you would like to beleive that everyone on welfare or unemployment or disability or workmans comp. or food stamps is a freeloader, where as I believe that the amount of fraud is not significant enough to condemn the system.

    Its kinda like in person voter fraud - 10 cases in the country and 35 states want to change the voter ID laws immediately prior to the election .

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I voted yesterday in liberal Illinois... and I had to show an ID card.

    Just saying.
    since just about everything one does requires an ID....showing it is REASONABLE.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    German guy, it would be foolish of me to argue with you over this subject because, i believe you know more on the subject then i do of Europe ................so i bow to your knowledge.

    i have lived in west Germany many years ago and i loved it while i was there, but i was in the military then, i hope it is still as nice there as it used too be.
    Glad you had a good time in Germany!

    I just wonder ... why did you chose a guy in a SS uniform as avatar? Are you fond of the Nazis?
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Since some countries are more socialist than others, think of it like a spectrum, not an absolute.

    Have you ever lived in or spent a lot of time in a country which was more socialist than the one you live in today? What was that experience like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Could you define and list some examples or what you mean when you say "socialist country"? With labels like socialism, communism, Nazi, tyranny, regime, etc. being thrown around in the public square not in efforts to contribute to rational discussion on real issues but instead to demonize by use of dishonest emotional manipulation in pursuit of advancing a political agenda, I personally have a hard time understanding what people mean by these terms anymore.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    your referring to someone who calls themselves a sovereign citizen, and some are crazy.

    during a Constitution class the teacher spoke about the guy in the link i posted, now i left it up too the individual to choose, but the guy, says the 16th was not properly ratified, because some states had changed the wording and approved it, which it cant be changed and voted on, and some states he says voted it down, and he has the officials record too prove it.
    I'm going to assume you're a non-native English speaker. If so, congratulations on your excellent language skills, you're as good as German Guy and better than most. Please don't take this the wrong way, but 'too' means excessively or beyond the normal e.g. he is too fat, that's too much. 'To' is a preposition meaning in the direction of, or reaching or receiving, e.g. he went to Italy, I left it up to the individual, or you were cruel to him. I hope this helps.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Since some countries are more socialist than others, think of it like a spectrum, not an absolute.

    Have you ever lived in or spent a lot of time in a country which was more socialist than the one you live in today? What was that experience like?
    I wouldn't say it's a one-dimensional spectrum (i.e. 0 = "no socialism at all" and 100 = "totally socialist") either. Socialists differ very much in their goals and policies, depending on their degree of dogmatism and whom they base their dogma on (Marx? Marx and Lenin? Marx, Lenin and Stalin? Marx and Mao? Marx and Trotzky? Or no dogma at all? and so on), their attitude towards the liberal-constitutional democratic-republican system, their attitude towards revolution vs. legalist reformism and so on.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Which is why I'd welcome discussion about specific topics. Have you lived in a country with socialized medicine? Socialized utilities? That kind of thing.

    The main thing is I think Americans get hung up on a lot of these things but don't really have a lot of personal experience with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I wouldn't say it's a one-dimensional spectrum (i.e. 0 = "no socialism at all" and 100 = "totally socialist") either. Socialists differ very much in their goals and policies, depending on their degree of dogmatism and whom they base their dogma on (Marx? Marx and Lenin? Marx, Lenin and Stalin? Marx and Mao? Marx and Trotzky? Or no dogma at all? and so on), their attitude towards the liberal-constitutional democratic-republican system, their attitude towards revolution vs. legalist reformism and so on.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I wouldn't say it's a one-dimensional spectrum (i.e. 0 = "no socialism at all" and 100 = "totally socialist") either. Socialists differ very much in their goals and policies, depending on their degree of dogmatism and whom they base their dogma on (Marx? Marx and Lenin? Marx, Lenin and Stalin? Marx and Mao? Marx and Trotzky? Or no dogma at all? and so on), their attitude towards the liberal-constitutional democratic-republican system, their attitude towards revolution vs. legalist reformism and so on.
    All that, and much more. You can place self-identified socialists along a considerable number of different spectra, from authoritarian to libertarian, from internationalist to decentralist, from utilitarian to ecologist and more. Two dimensional, left-right definitions do not and really never have been adequate to define any political ideology.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Which is why I'd welcome discussion about specific topics. Have you lived in a country with socialized medicine? Socialized utilities? That kind of thing.

    The main thing is I think Americans get hung up on a lot of these things but don't really have a lot of personal experience with them.
    To answer your question, I have been living in the Federal Republic of Germany all my life. We have a system we call "Social Market Economy" (introduced by the right-wing Christian Democrats after 1949, whose economy experts were mostly ordo-liberals, not socialists), which was considered a free market-based alternative to socialism of any kind, supposed to combine the strengthes of a free market with limited public social safety nets.

    Ordoliberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Social market economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This system includes certain public safety systems, such as unemployment support, a public pension system, a semi-private/semi-public health insurance system.

    Although this system did not originate among socialists of any kind, but on the contrary was designed as a free market system superior to socialism by economists from the right, and propagated as such against the socialism of the East Bloc, certain American righties would probably call it "socialist" nowadays.

    I am rather fond of this system. Probably everybody will agree that (West-)Germany was and still is economically rather strong, but at the same time, the negative side effects of an entirely free market are avoided and tamed. This system successfully combined economic strength with social fairness, IMO. I prefer our system to the American system.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Glad you had a good time in Germany!

    I just wonder ... why did you chose a guy in a SS uniform as avatar? Are you fond of the Nazis?
    i am a history guy if WWII, and i don't like the Nazi idea of government or killing Jews.

    what i like is the uniforms, the weapons, tactics, and i know everyone in the German military was not a Nazi, some were fighting for there country.

    i have respect for soldiers, who fought for Germany, and fought by the rules of war, they where doing their job, as they were trained too do.

    men like barkmann, fought then went home to where they were born before the war, and picked up were they left off, and became good citizens, i believe he was the fire marshal, and mayor of this town before he passed away 3 years ago.

    as too Germany, i love the beer, its the best, wurst, ...god!, how i miss it, and the skiing i used too do also.

    i have always wanted to return, maybe before i die i will get my chance.

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