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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Germany today is not socialist, although some American righties call it that way.

    On that Germany which everybody calls socialist, which even called itself socialist, -- the East German GDR -- I agree with you.
    Everyone calls socialist? I disagree. The countries of the old eastern bloc were not and most never were socialist. Democracy is a prerequisite of socialism. No democracy, no socialism. How one can "secure for the worker the full fruits of his labour and the most equitable distribution" of said fruits without the workers having the decision-making power is the clincher.

    All these posters who are throwing out random supposed definitions of socialism have never linked to proof that these facets are actually necessary elements of socialist ideology. It's like describing all of conservative using aspects and attitudes of the Iranian Mullahs. There is no doubting that their social policies are conservative, but does that make them Conservative?
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This question is mainly aimed at people on here who claim to be socialists.

    Have you ever lived in a socialist country? Do you have any personal experience with socialism?
    Could you define and list some examples or what you mean when you say "socialist country"? With labels like socialism, communism, Nazi, tyranny, regime, etc. being thrown around in the public square not in efforts to contribute to rational discussion on real issues but instead to demonize by use of dishonest emotional manipulation in pursuit of advancing a political agenda, I personally have a hard time understanding what people mean by these terms anymore.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I grew up in a socialist country that ceased being one in the 1980s.

    Through socialist policies I received an education that my parents couldn't have dreamed of. I had my life saved twice by a 100% socialised health service and when I was out of work after college, I was kept out of the soup kitchens by a welfare state that supported me until I found a job and proceeded to begin to repay that socialist state.
    Those golden days when inflation was as high as kite, there was mass unemployment, days without electricty (leaving old people dying of hypothermia), continuous strikes, uncollected garbage strewn across streets & bussinesses folding faster than a speeding bullet?

    Those halcyon days when the currency was devalued, gold reserves sold off & Britain had to crawl on bended knee to beg money off foreign banks?

    I'm glad you enjoyed it but Ive heard many describe it as hell.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Could you define and list some examples or what you mean when you say "socialist country"? With labels like socialism, communism, Nazi, tyranny, regime, etc. being thrown around in the public square not in efforts to contribute to rational discussion on real issues but instead to demonize by use of dishonest emotional manipulation in pursuit of advancing a political agenda, I personally have a hard time understanding what people mean by these terms anymore.
    Well, what people just in this one thread have used to define socialism amount to:

    its just a clever rouse[sic] to confuse the people. - Ernst Post #4

    REAL socialism is government owned farms, industries, etc... think USSR. - Peter G Post #11

    the more laws and regulations we create to protect ourselves....the more laws and regulations we have to create to protect ourselves from the laws and regulations that we already created....and after we have too many laws and regulations, we have entered something very close to socialism. - Melons Post #12

    Through socialist policies I received an education that my parents couldn't have dreamed of. I had my life saved twice by a 100% socialised health service and when I was out of work after college, I was kept out of the soup kitchens by a welfare state that supported me until I found a job and proceeded to begin to repay that socialist state, through taxes, for my education, health and benefits. - Me Post #19

    socialism is workers owning the surplus of their labor. (Or means of production.) Not government-ownership of the economy. - DinoDudeEpic Post #24

    Socialism doesn't imply any singular ideology. - Waas Post #29

    Socialism's functional definition these days is "whatever I don't like." - Obvious Child Post #38

    socialism is force, ...socialism takes from the individual without his or her permission, and redistributes it too other people not institutions for the public good for every one( ie .the general welfare of a state)..socialism, which gives more power to government too be the provider. - Ernst Post #47

    socialist is more concerned with control and power, a Marxist is more concerned of up lifting the down trodden and poor --->creating equality in every aspect of life, believe it or not democracy does too, will is why it is bad, because it removes individual liberty. - Ernst Post #49

    You're right, ask 100 people what socialism is and you'll get 500 different answers. I know what I mean when I say 'socialism' and some, but not all, of that is good.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Austin View Post
    Those golden days when inflation was as high as kite, there was mass unemployment, days without electricty (leaving old people dying of hypothermia), continuous strikes, uncollected garbage strewn across streets & bussinesses folding faster than a speeding bullet?

    Those halcyon days when the currency was devalued, gold reserves sold off & Britain had to crawl on bended knee to beg money off foreign banks?
    How very different from these halcyon days we're living through now. Different in that mass unemployment was about half what it is now and this after the stats were fixed to exclude several groups from the stats that were included in the Seventies. People are still dying of hypothermia, not due to strikes but due to fuel poverty created by the profiteering of corporations. Strikes happened and passed, profiteering is for life.

    I'm glad you enjoyed it but Ive heard many describe it as hell.
    I'm glad you think that things are so heavenly now.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    We are all socialist. We do not survive otherwise.

    We are soft bodied, slow footed mammals without serviceable claws, horns or fangs and would be only so much tasty meat if not for the fact we form collectives.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, what people just in this one thread have used to define socialism amount to:

    its just a clever rouse[sic] to confuse the people. - Ernst Post #4

    REAL socialism is government owned farms, industries, etc... think USSR. - Peter G Post #11

    the more laws and regulations we create to protect ourselves....the more laws and regulations we have to create to protect ourselves from the laws and regulations that we already created....and after we have too many laws and regulations, we have entered something very close to socialism. - Melons Post #12

    Through socialist policies I received an education that my parents couldn't have dreamed of. I had my life saved twice by a 100% socialised health service and when I was out of work after college, I was kept out of the soup kitchens by a welfare state that supported me until I found a job and proceeded to begin to repay that socialist state, through taxes, for my education, health and benefits. - Me Post #19

    socialism is workers owning the surplus of their labor. (Or means of production.) Not government-ownership of the economy. - DinoDudeEpic Post #24

    Socialism doesn't imply any singular ideology. - Waas Post #29

    Socialism's functional definition these days is "whatever I don't like." - Obvious Child Post #38

    socialism is force, ...socialism takes from the individual without his or her permission, and redistributes it too other people not institutions for the public good for every one( ie .the general welfare of a state)..socialism, which gives more power to government too be the provider. - Ernst Post #47

    socialist is more concerned with control and power, a Marxist is more concerned of up lifting the down trodden and poor --->creating equality in every aspect of life, believe it or not democracy does too, will is why it is bad, because it removes individual liberty. - Ernst Post #49

    You're right, ask 100 people what socialism is and you'll get 500 different answers. I know what I mean when I say 'socialism' and some, but not all, of that is good.
    I generally use the terms that are common in Germany: That boils down to "socialism is what socialists define as such". Hence the East Bloc countries were socialist, as the commies in power used that term. To make a difference to forms of "democratic socialism" propagated by leftists within the democratic systems, which clearly distanced themselves from the East Bloc socialism, the East Bloc socialist "dictatorship of the proletariat" was sometimes called "Realsozialismus" or "really existing socialism".

    I find it funny when democratic socialists/Maoists/Trotzkists/non-dogmatic socialists claim that the Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist brand of "real socialism" isn't socialism -- reminds me of various Christian sects who claim all the other churches are "not really Christians".

    Certainly, a social state which is based on a free market economy and limited social systems with moderate redistribution of wealth, which is often called "socialist" by American righties, is NOT considered "socialism" in Germany. It were our conservative Christian Democrats, even going back to the social programs of conservative-monarchist Chancellor Bismarck, who introduced these social systems. We call it "Social Market Economy" as a free-market alternative to socialism.

    Then there is "social democracy". The German Social Democrats used to be Marxists to some extent, but were anti-revolutionary and anti-communist and supported a strictly legalist reform approach within a liberal representative constitutional democracy. They were the only party in Weimar really fighting for the Republic, against both Nazis and Commies, and the only party voting against Hitler's Enabling Act in 1933. They even used massive force against revolutionary socialists and communists. Which is why in public perception, there is an extreme difference between Social Democracy and "socialism".

    Social Democrats exist in other European countries too, like in Scandinavia or the Netherlands. And they are mostly responsible for the extensive welfare states that exist there. But most people would make a very sharp difference between this democratic kind of policies and "real socialism" (revolutionary brands of Marxist-Leninist or even Stalinist brands of socialism that existed in the East Bloc).

    Political movements are not bad because they want wealth redistribution. They are bad when they support dictatorship and anti-constitutional ideas, in the eyes of the German mainstream.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, what people just in this one thread have used to define socialism amount to:

    its just a clever rouse[sic] to confuse the people. - Ernst Post #4

    REAL socialism is government owned farms, industries, etc... think USSR. - Peter G Post #11

    the more laws and regulations we create to protect ourselves....the more laws and regulations we have to create to protect ourselves from the laws and regulations that we already created....and after we have too many laws and regulations, we have entered something very close to socialism. - Melons Post #12

    Through socialist policies I received an education that my parents couldn't have dreamed of. I had my life saved twice by a 100% socialised health service and when I was out of work after college, I was kept out of the soup kitchens by a welfare state that supported me until I found a job and proceeded to begin to repay that socialist state, through taxes, for my education, health and benefits. - Me Post #19

    socialism is workers owning the surplus of their labor. (Or means of production.) Not government-ownership of the economy. - DinoDudeEpic Post #24

    Socialism doesn't imply any singular ideology. - Waas Post #29

    Socialism's functional definition these days is "whatever I don't like." - Obvious Child Post #38

    socialism is force, ...socialism takes from the individual without his or her permission, and redistributes it too other people not institutions for the public good for every one( ie .the general welfare of a state)..socialism, which gives more power to government too be the provider. - Ernst Post #47

    socialist is more concerned with control and power, a Marxist is more concerned of up lifting the down trodden and poor --->creating equality in every aspect of life, believe it or not democracy does too, will is why it is bad, because it removes individual liberty. - Ernst Post #49

    You're right, ask 100 people what socialism is and you'll get 500 different answers. I know what I mean when I say 'socialism' and some, but not all, of that is good.
    When I think Socialist Country, I think of a totalitarian state where free enterprise is outlawed, nobody has the right to vote or if they do its only symbolic as the candidates are already picked by the state and in most cases freedom of speech and the right to leave the country are not allowed. Cuba, North Korea, etc.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    When I think Socialist Country, I think of a totalitarian state where free enterprise is outlawed, nobody has the right to vote or if they do its only symbolic as the candidates are already picked by the state and in most cases freedom of speech and the right to leave the country are not allowed. Cuba, North Korea, etc.
    Ah -- so you base your views on a profound misunderstanding.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    While I was in the U.S. Army stationed in Germany in the 80's I visited East and West Berlin before the fall of the USSR and after. Here are a couple pictures that I've found online that are good representations of what I saw in Alexander Platz, East Berlin.

    Before the fall:

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    After the fall:

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    What struck me the most before:

    Everything was grey. Very little color. Quiet. No loud voices. No crowds. People would look at me out of the corner of their eyes...but nobody would speak to me.

    After:

    Complete opposite. Children, young people, adults laughing, smiling, talking...even to me. Color everywhere.
    most of the people that I have talked to, who immigrated to the US from the USSR, always mention their first experience in a grocery store and how they were overwhelmed by all the colors

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