View Poll Results: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

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  • I am a citizen of a socialist country and like it

    4 14.81%
  • I have spent time in a socialist country and socialism is gravy

    2 7.41%
  • No, but I have a Che Guevara T-shirt

    3 11.11%
  • I have, and socialism is awful

    4 14.81%
  • I'm a red-blooded American, to hell with those pinko commies

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    If wanting nothing more than 3 square meals a day, a roof over my head, and a pair of shoes to get me from A to B is Socialistic, then color me pink!

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    so your in favor of other people working to provide for your needs?

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your in favor of other people working to provide for your needs?
    And so are you.

    You have need of security - police provide it locally, FBI federally, CIA and Armed forces internationally.
    You have need of roads
    You have need of airports
    You have need of food - distributed by others catering to your needs.

    You and everyone else with half a brain object to the freeloaders. The difference is that you would like to beleive that everyone on welfare or unemployment or disability or workmans comp. or food stamps is a freeloader, where as I believe that the amount of fraud is not significant enough to condemn the system.

    Its kinda like in person voter fraud - 10 cases in the country and 35 states want to change the voter ID laws immediately prior to the election .
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The Sixteenth Amendment cannot be unconstitutional since it is part of the Constitution. I thought that was obvious to everybody.
    well it it could be proved that it was not ratified according too the constitution it would be illegal.

    now there is a man who claims it is unconstitutional because he has been to every state who vote on the amendment and says he has proof, its not legal, and he has been ordered by the USSC to keep silent on his evidence.


    you choose for yourself......HOW SOME STATES DID NOT LEGALLY RATIFY THE 16TH AMENDMENT

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    And so are you.

    You have need of security - police provide it locally, FBI federally, CIA and Armed forces internationally.
    You have need of roads
    You have need of airports
    You have need of food - distributed by others catering to your needs.

    You and everyone else with half a brain object to the freeloaders. The difference is that you would like to beleive that everyone on welfare or unemployment or disability or workmans comp. or food stamps is a freeloader, where as I believe that the amount of fraud is not significant enough to condemn the system.

    Its kinda like in person voter fraud - 10 cases in the country and 35 states want to change the voter ID laws immediately prior to the election .
    wrong.......the federal government has duties which are constitutional.....military, security, and the running of government, build roads...these are legal...taxes are in the constitution.

    airports are city........not federal

    no i don't have others feeding me, i work and earn money to feed myself...the federal government does not support my personal needs.

    the federal government has no authority, to take money from one citizen and give it to another.....that is redistribution of wealth an illegal.

    it does not matter what a person personal beliefs are.....its what the law says, my ideas of government are, are not based on what i like or want, but what does the constitution say..on the subject.

    from what i get from you, you are steered by feelings, and think law should be governed by them, ..no government will survived based on emotions.


    take a good look at my profile signature..its from Madison father of the Constitution.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong.......the federal government has duties which are constitutional.....military, security, and the running of government, build roads...these are legal...taxes are in the constitution.

    airports are city........not federal

    no i don't have others feeding me, i work and earn money to feed myself...the federal government does not support my personal needs.

    the federal government has no authority, to take money from one citizen and give it to another.....that is redistribution of wealth an illegal.

    it does not matter what a person personal beliefs are.....its what the law says, my idea of government are not based on what i like or want, but what does the constitution say..on the subject.


    take a good look at my profile signature..its from Madison father of the Constitution.
    Fact remains, that in every society, individuals are dependent on others in meeting that individuals needs. Be it by government or commerce it is inescapable.
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so your in favor of other people working to provide for your needs?
    In essence we all are.
    Using tnything that is allowed to succeed by input of funds from multiple sources would put you in that category. Or anything that you didn't pay for, such as public resources(roads, streetlights, etc.)

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    In essence we all are.
    Using tnything that is allowed to succeed by input of funds from multiple sources would put you in that category. Or anything that you didn't pay for, such as public resources(roads, streetlights, etc.)

    socialism is force, we as a people know we have to have things like police ,fire and other services and we agree that those must exist.

    socialism takes from the individual without his or her permission, and redistributes it too other people not institutions for the public good for every one( ie .the general welfare of a state)..socialism, which gives more power to government too be the provider.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    socialism is force, we as a people know we have to have things like police ,fire and other services and we agree that those must exist.

    socialism takes from the individual without his or her permission, and redistributes it too other people not institutions for the public good for every one( ie .the general welfare of a state)..socialism, which gives more power to government too be the provider.
    Let me stop you there. None of that is true. I'll go over it in bits.

    socialism is force, we as a people know we have to have things like police ,fire and other services and we agree that those must exist.
    There are some people, namely socialists, who believe in decentralized police/fire. We found them in Spain, where the Anarchists had amassed large amounts of influence. These people advocated for, and implemented, autonomous civilian militias that dealt with law enforcement.

    socialism takes from the individual without his or her permission, and redistributes it too other people not institutions for the public good for every one
    Yes and no. Most socialists aim for the redistribution of power, not wealth, as a major aspect of these ideologies is a classless society. Some folks want wealth redistribution, some don't. But further, decentralization, the abolition of money and workers' self management are also commonly pushed by socialists.

    socialism, which gives more power to government too be the provider.
    True about National Socialism, sort of true about Democratic Socialism, not true about anything else. Keep in mind that socialism implies no singular ideology, and many socialists are staunchly anti-government.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Let me stop you there. None of that is true. I'll go over it in bits.


    There are some people, namely socialists, who believe in decentralized police/fire. We found them in Spain, where the Anarchists had amassed large amounts of influence. These people advocated for, and implemented, autonomous civilian militias that dealt with law enforcement.


    Yes and no. Most socialists aim for the redistribution of power, not wealth, as a major aspect of these ideologies is a classless society. Some folks want wealth redistribution, some don't. But further, decentralization, the abolition of money and workers' self management are also commonly pushed by socialists.



    True about National Socialism, sort of true about Democratic Socialism, not true about anything else. Keep in mind that socialism implies no singular ideology, and many socialists are staunchly anti-government.

    what has been my main message, that i deal in federal government.

    state governments have vast power according to Madison.

    redistribution, is power because government uses it as a TOOL to further their aims.

    socialist is more concerned with control and power, a Marxist is more concerned of up lifting the down trodden and poor --->creating equality in every aspect of life, believe it or not democracy does too, will is why it is bad, because it removes individual liberty.

    national socialist not as much socialist, more fascist.

    socialism = control means of production, whatever is being produced

    fascist - control of what is is too be produced and how much.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...=1NvLsKeOlmY.. .....good videos
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Pollock v. Farmers Loan and Trust was due to an unapportioned tax. However, the 16th Amendment was added because apportioned taxes didn't pay the bills.

    From Article I, Section II, Clause III of the US Constitution:



    The writers of the Constitution fully expected that a direct tax would necessary as the nation expanded and grew. Taxation was the primary reason as to why we have the Constitution, and not the Articles of Confederation today. As the nation expanded, so did the federal budget, and therefore, the amendment became necessary. An apportioned tax is fine when there are only 13 federated states, but in 1913, the US consisted of 48 states, the territories of Alaska and Hawaii, and was still recovering from the debt of war, with more debt to come. An unapportioned tax was necessary in order to fund this very large nation and its people. It's constitutional because it was amended as prescribed by the United States Constitution. It's a fluid document that can be changed as necessary, that's why the amendment process exists. It's why slavery no longer exists, and "negroes" are legally considered full human beings, and not three fifths of a person, why women are allowed to vote, and why senators are directly elected through popular vote. All of which contradict the original Constitution, but when it comes time to give instead of get, well that's just unacceptable.
    what debt of war? in 1913.

    slaves were counted as 3/5 for representation purposes only.

    Madison in the federalist papers says voting is NOT a right, and either does the founders constitution, plus, it does not say only men can vote, it say freeholders can vote, property owners and taxpayers.

    sorry your wrong about a direct tax on the people, its a direct tax on the states.

    Madison says in the federalist papers, there will be no direct tax on the people.

    it can only be changed by the amendment process, ..not government just passing laws by-passing it which they have done repeatedly.

    and electing senators directly...removed a check and balances of government and doomed .....the union!...because it remove the power and voice of state assemblies in the senate, which protected states from the federal government.

    only a return to republican government can save this union.......it may happen then then the federal government fails, and its headed that way, because of the two parties.
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