View Poll Results: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

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  • I am a citizen of a socialist country and like it

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  • I have spent time in a socialist country and socialism is gravy

    2 7.41%
  • No, but I have a Che Guevara T-shirt

    3 11.11%
  • I have, and socialism is awful

    4 14.81%
  • I'm a red-blooded American, to hell with those pinko commies

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    While I was in the U.S. Army stationed in Germany in the 80's I visited East and West Berlin before the fall of the USSR and after. Here are a couple pictures that I've found online that are good representations of what I saw in Alexander Platz, East Berlin.

    Before the fall:

    Have you ever lived in a socialist country?-5berlin04-jpg

    After the fall:

    Have you ever lived in a socialist country?-3616315213_741e7289a1-jpg

    What struck me the most before:

    Everything was grey. Very little color. Quiet. No loud voices. No crowds. People would look at me out of the corner of their eyes...but nobody would speak to me.

    After:

    Complete opposite. Children, young people, adults laughing, smiling, talking...even to me. Color everywhere.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Do you have any modicum of evidence to support that? It's a nice little aphorism, but hardly true.


    Socialism isn't necessarily nationalist. Learn to differentiate between the two.
    You left out part of my post. I said "I always thought about it as"...... but you chopped that part off. I never said that I did or didn't know the difference. Did I? Nor did I say that what I had always thought was what I think now or did I claim any of it as fact. How about you try learning the difference in what you think I said and what I actually said? before you jump and make yourself look the opposite of intelligent.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    While I was in the U.S. Army stationed in Germany in the 80's I visited East and West Berlin before the fall of the USSR and after. Here are a couple pictures that I've found online that are good representations of what I saw in Alexander Platz, East Berlin.

    Before the fall:

    Have you ever lived in a socialist country?-5berlin04-jpg

    After the fall:

    Have you ever lived in a socialist country?-3616315213_741e7289a1-jpg

    What struck me the most before:

    Everything was grey. Very little color. Quiet. No loud voices. No crowds. People would look at me out of the corner of their eyes...but nobody would speak to me.

    After:

    Complete opposite. Children, young people, adults laughing, smiling, talking...even to me. Color everywhere.

    I'm sure everything is 100% better now, it's just that your photos look identical other than the quality of the colour film.

    Thing is, there are a lot of posters on DP who would think modern Germany is a socialistic hell-hole. I wonder what your reaction would be to legally enforced worker representation on every company board, the government investment in alternative energy and the degree of regulation of banking that Wall Street or The City would quake at. Perhaps in 1989 Germany just replaced one out-dated style of socialism for a modern, efficient one.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Well, I fit none of these options.

    Because, I'm a socialist who hasn't lived in a socialist country, who hates Che Guevara.

    Of course, under the government-ownership definition. I guess you can count Syria, but I don't think it is socialist. And, I don't even think the Soviet Union fills the definition of socialism. (Maybe the first few years under Lenin, but that is really stretching it.)

    The reason is that because my idea of socialism is workers owning the surplus of their labor. (Or means of production.) Not government-ownership of the economy.

    Simple as that. I have never lived in a socialist country, I considered Cuba to not be a socialist country.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    There is no poll option I can agree with.

    I have been living in (West-)Berlin most of my life. The Federal Republic of Germany never was a socialist country, regardless of the BS some American far-righties are spewing. A few social programs make no socialism. And life in the Federal Republic is fine.

    The East-German GDR was socialist. And it was horrible. I was still a kid, but I visited that country with my parents when I was a boy. Even at that young age, it seemed trashy to me. It was humorless and dull. Real socialism is horrible.

    That doesn't mean everything certain American righties call "socialism" really is socialism.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    While I was in the U.S. Army stationed in Germany in the 80's I visited East and West Berlin before the fall of the USSR and after. Here are a couple pictures that I've found online that are good representations of what I saw in Alexander Platz, East Berlin.

    Before the fall:

    Have you ever lived in a socialist country?-5berlin04-jpg

    After the fall:

    Have you ever lived in a socialist country?-3616315213_741e7289a1-jpg

    What struck me the most before:

    Everything was grey. Very little color. Quiet. No loud voices. No crowds. People would look at me out of the corner of their eyes...but nobody would speak to me.

    After:

    Complete opposite. Children, young people, adults laughing, smiling, talking...even to me. Color everywhere.
    That exactly mirrors my impression.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This question is mainly aimed at people on here who claim to be socialists.

    Have you ever lived in a socialist country? Do you have any personal experience with socialism?
    Perhaps you need to define what you consider to be a Socialist country? The United Kingdom? Denmark? Sweden? Norway? What?
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    it is uncon. - the 16th made the constitution contratadict itself.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by melons View Post
    You left out part of my post. I said "I always thought about it as"...... but you chopped that part off. I never said that I did or didn't know the difference. Did I? Nor did I say that what I had always thought was what I think now or did I claim any of it as fact. How about you try learning the difference in what you think I said and what I actually said? before you jump and make yourself look the opposite of intelligent.
    Ah, come off it... Whiter or not you said "I always though about it as" has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever. It's still what you believe and still something you can't support.

    And you saying, "after we have too many laws and regulations, we have entered something very close to socialism", means you believe a major aspect of socialism is laws and regulations. This is just not the case. Socialism is such a broad, deadened term nowadays, so I'll make it simple for you: Anarchists are socialists, Nazis are socialists, those on the far left of the democratic party are socialists, so on, so forth. Socialism doesn't imply any singular ideology.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Ah, come off it... Whiter or not you said "I always though about it as" has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever. It's still what you believe and still something you can't support.

    And you saying, "after we have too many laws and regulations, we have entered something very close to socialism", means you believe a major aspect of socialism is laws and regulations. This is just not the case. Socialism is such a broad, deadened term nowadays, so I'll make it simple for you: Anarchists are socialists, Nazis are socialists, those on the far left of the democratic party are socialists, so on, so forth. Socialism doesn't imply any singular ideology.
    You don't like to be wrong, do you? You can rant all you want to, it doesn't take away from the fact that you were wrong. So let's hear some more of that grand ranting about what you read all wrong.

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