View Poll Results: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

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  • I am a citizen of a socialist country and like it

    4 14.81%
  • I have spent time in a socialist country and socialism is gravy

    2 7.41%
  • No, but I have a Che Guevara T-shirt

    3 11.11%
  • I have, and socialism is awful

    4 14.81%
  • I'm a red-blooded American, to hell with those pinko commies

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    West germany is the most socialist thing on the planet (per USA GOP definition)

    housing and healthcare for all
    unions for all jobs
    20 day paid vacation for all jobs.
    workers on all boards
    etc etc etc


    In decades working in USA I never will get ANY vacation
    I can be fired at any time - no unions allowed to start
    I never get any Healthcare. Except 7 years as a state worker.


    You have no idea what a dump USA is and how miserable it is to live here.
    Then pack your bags and get the **** out if you feel that way. Since you like Germany so much, try there for starters.

    You also left off that Germans pay over 50% in income tax. Not to mention a 15% VAT on most purchases and other taxes along the way. From my experience in the Heinsberg/Geilenkirchen area, their medical system sucks ass and I wouldn't want it or send anyone I cared about to use it.

    You also don't seem to realize that part of the reason their system works as well as it does in some areas is the personality/nature of the people involved in the system. Americans are not Germans, we don't think the same nor would we do as well under their system. Some of us might, others definitely wouldn't. The same BS that works there has failed other places due to the people involved. Places like Greece, Italy, Spain, etc.

    From your description of your work history, you sound like the typical Liberal/progressive/socialist douchebag that made bad choices and decisions and now you want to punish those who didn't by taking away from them to give to you. What you describe would really only apply to the lowest level of skills/education (in other words you learned to tie your own shoes but not much else). That level of worker is easy to replace, doesn't deserve much more because labor is a competitive market and should be and will always be cheap and expendable. Why didn't you take education/training opportunities to improve you position in the job market? You made your choices, you live with them. So suck it up or go to hell, I really don't care which unless you try to take from me to give to you, then the Secound amendment comes into play and I intend to win.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Rightwingers in America, due primarily to extreme ignorance and hate, have no idea what life is like in other places and they dont want to know...

    They have no idea how rightwing ideology has destroyed so much of what makes America great...

    They are just dumb, stupid, fat, lazy, ignorant people who have been getting in the way...

    Just look at someone who has never been to, oh lets say Germany, but they feel perfectly comfortable criticizing them...

    This person might make $30K a year and thinks that the Koch Bros and the Walmart Waltons are their friends, this person would be really dumb and we cant survive this level of dumb anymore

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chickenhawks View Post
    Rightwingers in America, due primarily to extreme ignorance and hate, have no idea what life is like in other places and they dont want to know...

    They have no idea how rightwing ideology has destroyed so much of what makes America great...

    They are just dumb, stupid, fat, lazy, ignorant people who have been getting in the way...

    Just look at someone who has never been to, oh lets say Germany, but they feel perfectly comfortable criticizing them...

    This person might make $30K a year and thinks that the Koch Bros and the Walmart Waltons are their friends, this person would be really dumb and we cant survive this level of dumb anymore
    No, non-leftist ideals/ideas are what made this country great. The lefts agenda since the 1960s is what has killed the greatness of this country.

    I say non-leftist because a number of policies on the right have also reduced/blocked competition, suppressed advancement and hurt us, just not in the same way as the left. However, the left has been by far way more damaging than the right.

    As to that person making $30K, if that is anything other than entry level, which they should move fairly quickly from if they have any personal motivation or skills, then they are just as stupid or maybe worse than a leftist (most of them are leftist, go figure, Stupid is as Stupid does) if they get stuck there due to their own choices.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Not to mention a 15% VAT on most purchases and other taxes along the way.
    I dont want to give you nightmares but I believe the VAT basic rate is actually 19% at the moment.

    15% is an EU directive minimum but most EU countries exceed that these days

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Then pack your bags and get the **** out if you feel that way. Since you like Germany so much, try there for starters.

    You also left off that Germans pay over 50% in income tax. Not to mention a 15% VAT on most purchases and other taxes along the way. From my experience in the Heinsberg/Geilenkirchen area, their medical system sucks ass and I wouldn't want it or send anyone I cared about to use it.

    You also don't seem to realize that part of the reason their system works as well as it does in some areas is the personality/nature of the people involved in the system. Americans are not Germans, we don't think the same nor would we do as well under their system. Some of us might, others definitely wouldn't. The same BS that works there has failed other places due to the people involved. Places like Greece, Italy, Spain, etc.

    From your description of your work history, you sound like the typical Liberal/progressive/socialist douchebag that made bad choices and decisions and now you want to punish those who didn't by taking away from them to give to you. What you describe would really only apply to the lowest level of skills/education (in other words you learned to tie your own shoes but not much else). That level of worker is easy to replace, doesn't deserve much more because labor is a competitive market and should be and will always be cheap and expendable. Why didn't you take education/training opportunities to improve you position in the job market? You made your choices, you live with them. So suck it up or go to hell, I really don't care which unless you try to take from me to give to you, then the Secound amendment comes into play and I intend to win.
    Just remember the millions with no healthcare and the millions fired by the likes of Free Trade.

    We out number you massivly. You will lose and all your NYC/Wall Street buddies in crime will either escape or die.

    Oh , and the Chinaman has millions of BS and Dr holders and they can replace you or anybody else ...........so your "education" BS is a false argument.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You also left off that Germans pay over 50% in income tax.
    No, they don't. The top marginal tax rate in Germany is 45% for people earning over 250,000€.

    Check it out.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The lefts agenda since the 1960s is what has killed the greatness of this country.
    Sigh .the level of stunning ignorance you present is overwhelming...this board is not big enough to hold the list of things YOU take for GRANTED everyday that exist because of liberals

    stunning ignorance, dear god will we be able to survive people this stupid!


    I thought about linking you to an education, but you wont believe it, you are brainwashed, brain dead, and a very real threat to my country.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Austin View Post
    I dont want to give you nightmares but I believe the VAT basic rate is actually 19% at the moment.

    15% is an EU directive minimum but most EU countries exceed that these days
    Glad I don't have to live there anymore. It was at 15% while I was there, but that was pre-EU days and I don't know what the whole EU thing added. Their tax system was a nightmarish burden at that time and I don't imagine it has gotten any better since.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, they don't. The top marginal tax rate in Germany is 45% for people earning over 250,000€.

    Check it out.
    Different sources, different calculations. Tax Burden by Country - Country Ranks 2009 lists it at 47.5, but notice that "social security" is not included in that tax rate. If you add the 12% SS tax to income tax, you get total individual income tax rising to 59.5%. You are also leaving out the "solidarity surcharge".
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chickenhawks View Post
    Sigh .the level of stunning ignorance you present is overwhelming...this board is not big enough to hold the list of things YOU take for GRANTED everyday that exist because of liberals

    stunning ignorance, dear god will we be able to survive people this stupid!


    I thought about linking you to an education, but you wont believe it, you are brainwashed, brain dead, and a very real threat to my country.
    Name one. Lets see what you have.
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