View Poll Results: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

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  • I am a citizen of a socialist country and like it

    4 14.81%
  • I have spent time in a socialist country and socialism is gravy

    2 7.41%
  • No, but I have a Che Guevara T-shirt

    3 11.11%
  • I have, and socialism is awful

    4 14.81%
  • I'm a red-blooded American, to hell with those pinko commies

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Socialism has evolved over the last 40 years, so it is hard to say one way or another. There are in reality only two countries that could fit the "socialist" mantra these days and that is Cuba and North Korea. And even Cuba is moving away from the socialist mantra by privatizing land and other capitalist ways.. China is not socialist anymore btw... and never really was.

    There are few truly socialist parties in Europe these days. Those that are, are former communist parties under new names, with usually "Green" in the title. The traditional left wing parties have gone more and more towards the center and further away from the left.

    But saying that, a transformation of the right has also happened in some countries, especially in Northern Europe. In Denmark for example, the traditional Conservative Party will have a hard time getting into Parliament at the next election, and this is a party that had the Prime Minister post 30 years ago (and it was a good Prime Minister at that..). In its place has come a more liberal right wing party, and of course the far right neo con racist borderline neo nazi parties.

    Point is, the traditional views of political parties across Europe has changed a lot over the last 40 years in many countries.. in others they remain the same.. Spain comes to mind. Even in the UK, Labour has warped from its roots, and even the Tories has warped, although it seems that they want to go back to be the party of Thatcher. Times change, and those parties that do not evolve die out.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
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    its is uncon if originaly written parts are totally agianst a NEW added part. - as the 16th is.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    There is no poll option I can agree with.

    I have been living in (West-)Berlin most of my life. The Federal Republic of Germany never was a socialist country, regardless of the BS some American far-righties are spewing. A few social programs make no socialism. And life in the Federal Republic is fine.

    The East-German GDR was socialist. And it was horrible. I was still a kid, but I visited that country with my parents when I was a boy. Even at that young age, it seemed trashy to me. It was humorless and dull. Real socialism is horrible.

    That doesn't mean everything certain American righties call "socialism" really is socialism.
    West germany is the most socialist thing on the planet (per USA GOP definition)

    housing and healthcare for all
    unions for all jobs
    20 day paid vacation for all jobs.
    workers on all boards
    etc etc etc


    In decades working in USA I never will get ANY vacation
    I can be fired at any time - no unions allowed to start
    I never get any Healthcare. Except 7 years as a state worker.


    You have no idea what a dump USA is and how miserable it is to live here.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    I am one of the three that selected:

    I am a citizen of a socialist country and like it.
    I am a citizen of the USA.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Socialism has evolved over the last 40 years, so it is hard to say one way or another. There are in reality only two countries that could fit the "socialist" mantra these days and that is Cuba and North Korea. And even Cuba is moving away from the socialist mantra by privatizing land and other capitalist ways.. China is not socialist anymore btw... and never really was.

    There are few truly socialist parties in Europe these days. Those that are, are former communist parties under new names, with usually "Green" in the title. The traditional left wing parties have gone more and more towards the center and further away from the left.

    But saying that, a transformation of the right has also happened in some countries, especially in Northern Europe. In Denmark for example, the traditional Conservative Party will have a hard time getting into Parliament at the next election, and this is a party that had the Prime Minister post 30 years ago (and it was a good Prime Minister at that..). In its place has come a more liberal right wing party, and of course the far right neo con racist borderline neo nazi parties.

    Point is, the traditional views of political parties across Europe has changed a lot over the last 40 years in many countries.. in others they remain the same.. Spain comes to mind. Even in the UK, Labour has warped from its roots, and even the Tories has warped, although it seems that they want to go back to be the party of Thatcher. Times change, and those parties that do not evolve die out.
    Every other western nation is "socialist" just taking healthcare into account.

    Ad in real safety nets, 20 days paid vacation for all, job training, squatters rights, and they are all
    socialist.

    That or show me the 26,000 people that died from no healthcare in Germany that died in USA last year.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    What do you consider a "socialist" country? I lived in Japan (Okinawa) for 7 1/2 years total and a little over 3 years in Germany. While I was in Germany (1993-1996) they were privatizing some things previously government run, aka, socialistic in nature. Their communications systems were terribly antiquated and technologically backwards when I first got there, after privatization, it improved greatly. For example, when the government ran it, the local phone company used rotary dialing, when they put the new digital switches in, they found that the ones that were previously being used still had swastikas on them. So much for a socialized system keeping up with technological advancements.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    What do you consider a "socialist" country? I lived in Japan (Okinawa) for 7 1/2 years total and a little over 3 years in Germany. While I was in Germany (1993-1996) they were privatizing some things previously government run, aka, socialistic in nature. Their communications systems were terribly antiquated and technologically backwards when I first got there, after privatization, it improved greatly. For example, when the government ran it, the local phone company used rotary dialing, when they put the new digital switches in, they found that the ones that were previously being used still had swastikas on them. So much for a socialized system keeping up with technological advancements.
    Or perhaps those privatisations took place just as major technological advancements occurred. Certainly in the UK the major tranche of privatisations took place, including that of British Telecom, just at the point that mobile phone technology and the internet took off. It was sold for peanuts and the private companies made a mint in exploiting all the investment that the public company )i.e. the tax-payers) had expended. It was a gift from conservative politicians to their pay-masters.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    You know you're just inviting those with more common European connections that emigrated to the U.S. to defend portions of the system, right? Many of those who come to the U.S. or have visited the U.S. have no qualms with Democratic socialism or many other variants.
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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    -- No, you're right. It didn't all date from the Thatcher years and there were many, many problems prior to that including a degree of corruption within the trades union movement and mismanagement from within large corporations and nationalised industries. She cannot be blamed for not bailing everyone out as she was not the state and couldn't have done so even if she'd been inclined to do so. What she can be blamed for is the destruction of our primary industries. Privatisation did not pay off any debts. Where did you get that idea? Privatisation sold off to large investors highly valuable national assets for peanuts. Those industries were then deregulated in a way that made them massively profitable. Had she wanted those industries to become highly profitable for the public good she could have deregulated when they were under public ownership and the nation would have reaped huge benefits. We'd also still have a car industry, a steel industry and a coal industry and would have been rolling in the profits from telecommunications and oil revenues. --
    What car industry? British Leyland cars being turned back from Japan for poor quality manufacture, workers turning up for their shift with bedrolls which fitted into carved out space in their locker rooms. Steel and coal were dominated by unions too, working practices that meant no amount of deregulation would ever make them profitable.
    The harsh reality is that Thatcher did what had to be done to change this country. I will give you the telecomms and utilities industries - they were sold off far too cheaply and they are now owned by mainly German and French government run utility companies however a lot of the telecomms profits were clawed back when mobile licences where sold off.

    I was 18 when I voted for Thatcher in 1979 and I voted for her again the next two elections, she divided the country and is still hated by many here in the UK but we would not be where we are in the world without her. She did what had to be done but I don't blame what Americans call "socialised" practice for what got the UK into such trouble - I blame the huge power of the unions in that period.

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    Re: Have you ever lived in a socialist country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This question is mainly aimed at people on here who claim to be socialists.

    Have you ever lived in a socialist country? Do you have any personal experience with socialism?
    What do you think is a socialist country because that seems to mean different things to different people.
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