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  • 300. We should be on par with most others

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  • 500. Not the most, but it sends a clear message.

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  • 1500. Is plenty

    7 17.07%
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Thread: How Many?

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    Re: How Many?

    Nobody can "allow" us anything, stupid question, stupid poll.
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    Re: How Many?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No nation should have any nuclear warheads, so in turn the US should have none. If someone is stupid enough to launch a nuclear warhead on us, we should not fire a nuclear warhead back, no matter how much it would feel good, because that would doom the entire world.
    We should fire enough back to make sure the NEXT guy gets the point that firing off nuclear weapons at us is a VERY bad idea. Its too late for the idiot who fires at us they should be oblilerated and no hint of their existance left and we should lace our weapons such that the area we attack is useless for the next 10,000 years. The next people thinking about such foolish action will be able to look at our track record and rightfully conclude that we are exceptionally dangerous and should avoid confict with us at ALL costs. We screw up when people dont absolutely KNOW we WILL act with ABSOLUTE unabashed RUTHLESSNESS in defence of ourselves. This is the reason we have the conficts we do, people do NOT KNOW that we are capable of genocide both the capability and the will. When push comes to shove when we are backed up against the wall, there is NO civilization that is as deadly and as ruthless as us. Look back at world war 2 and you find the examples not of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Here is a list of cities that were targeted and destroyed at least in part by us. Conventional bombing damage to Japanese cities in WWII[164]
    City
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    destroyed
    Yokohama
    58
    Tokyo
    51
    Toyama
    99
    Nagoya
    40
    Osaka
    35.1
    Nishinomiya
    11.9
    Shimonoseki
    37.6
    Kure
    41.9
    Kobe
    55.7
    Ōmuta
    35.8
    Wakayama
    50
    Kawasaki
    36.2
    Okayama
    68.9
    Yahata
    21.2
    Kagoshima
    63.4
    Amagasaki
    18.9
    Sasebo
    41.4
    Moji
    23.3
    Miyakonojō
    26.5
    Nobeoka
    25.2
    Miyazaki
    26.1
    Ube
    20.7
    Saga
    44.2
    Imabari
    63.9
    Matsuyama
    64
    Fukui
    86
    Tokushima
    85.2
    Sakai
    48.2
    Hachioji
    65
    Kumamoto
    31.2
    Isesaki
    56.7
    Takamatsu
    67.5
    Akashi
    50.2
    Fukuyama
    80.9
    Aomori
    30
    Okazaki
    32.2
    Ōita
    28.2
    Hiratsuka
    48.4
    Tokuyama
    48.3
    Yokkaichi
    33.6
    Ujiyamada
    41.3
    Ōgaki
    39.5
    Gifu
    63.6
    Shizuoka
    66.1
    Himeji
    49.4
    Fukuoka
    24.1
    Kōchi
    55.2
    Shimizu
    42
    Omura
    33.1
    Chiba
    41
    Ichinomiya
    56.3
    Nara
    69.3
    Tsu
    69.3
    Kuwana
    75
    Toyohashi
    61.9
    Numazu
    42.3
    Choshi
    44.2
    Kofu
    78.6
    Utsunomiya
    43.7
    Mito
    68.9
    Sendai
    21.9
    Tsuruga
    65.1
    Nagaoka
    64.9
    Hitachi
    72
    Kumagaya
    55.1
    Hamamatsu
    60.3
    Maebashi
    64.2
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    Essen, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Cologne, Braunschweig, Lübeck, Rostock, Bremen, Kiel, Hanover, Frankfurt, Mannheim, Stuttgart, Dresden, Munich, and the Ruhr. Note Cologne was totaly destroyed. You can go back to before the Civil War and find all sorts of examples of us being quite ruthless.

    So when people say that we dont do that sort of thing, history says otherwise. It would be wise on our part to point to history and show our enemies that we can make war better than anyone. Peace comes though strength. Our enemies must KNOW without doubt that to wage war with us is to invite death and destruction to themselves. Wars happen when people think they can win with acceptable cost. Show our enemies that the cost is at best absurdly confiscatory in ALL ways then the likely hood is they will not start with us, and will seek to avoid confrontation.
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    Re: How Many?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, the nuclear weapons themselves could wipe out most of the world's large cities. Then there are all the additional deaths from radiation, and the deaths from starvation due to the climate change that would result from nuclear winter, etc. In a full nuclear volley, maybe not every single last person would die, but most people would.

    Anything more than a couple hundred nukes is just gratuitous IMO (and even that is quite a lot). I can't envision any plausible circumstance where the benefits of unleashing thousands of nuclear weapons outweighed the costs.
    There would be absolutely none, and that is the point. To make useing nuclear weapons a pointless endeavor.
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    Re: How Many?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    True. My main point there was that most nuke attacks would be airbursts, and the fallout would be far smaller compared to any calculations that assume all ground-bursts.
    Personally I think we should go out of our way to make our nuclear weapons as "dirty" as possible and to use them in such fashion as to maximize residual effects. I couple that strategy with widely publisizing that fact to any and all, to make the point that any nuclear exchange with us is going to be absurdly viscous. The smallest unit we should have is one megaton warheads and those should be mirved.
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    Re: How Many?

    I would really like to get rid of nuclear weapons. I really would. We have come close of nuclear war numerous times as a result of accidents and bad signals. The Cuban Missile Crisis, often portrayed as a success for the Kennedy Administration, mostly consisted of close calls, ass-covering, and poor communication. I don't trust any group with nuclear weapons. However, I just don't see any world power giving them up. Mutually Assured Destruction almost certainly stopped World War III from breaking out between the US and the USSR, but we could have seen far worse.
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    Re: How Many?

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Indeed, a very powerful deterrent.

    We all know there are countries that'd love to take a shot at us. Nukes are important, not lovely things but important. I wouldn't feel safe if we just got rid of nukes altogether. It's one thing to limit the number, I get the rationale behind that, but not to rid our military arsenal of them completely.
    You do realize that without Nuclear weapons, there is frankly nothing that can stop a NATO steamroller no?

    Some of the countries in the world that are against a nuclear free world are some of the most hateful to America and the West. Kissinger argues for a nuclear free world because it eliminates any real threat to American military power. So in that aspect getting rid of nuclear weapons across the planet is beneficial for America. Saves us money and eliminates the real threats to our military.
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    Re: How Many?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    It depends on which political side is in power. If we went straight Democrat in all three branches for the next 50 years, we wouldn't have any nuclear warheads. Just a hate-filled media with a bunch of adulterous, foul mouth politicians.
    If you look at the cities which have been predominantly led by Democrat Mayors, those cities have higher crime, lower school test scores, more welfare, greater drug abuse and higher rates of teen pregnancy, iirc.

    Look at Detroit, New Orleans, D.C. and Chicago, to start the list.

    So, what we'd likely have is the whole USA in the shape of those cities.

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    Re: How Many?

    I don't think we should have any nuclear weapons on the planet. It is too destructive and would obliterate the world as we know it. However, with other nations having them I think 300-500 is plenty. Honestly, one bomb could do enough damage to send a message. The bombs we have today would make Hiroshima look like simple dynamite.
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    Re: How Many?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Oh, so you consider invading a nation on the (weak) assumption that they had nuclear weapons being benevolent. How about Vietnam? Korea? Did they ask for help? How about the total disregard for a nations borders? I am sure Pakistan is thrilled with how we went behind their backs. Afghanistan, thousands of civilians killed for the doing of some extremists. Throwing drones left and right killing innocent civilians. Having men stationed around the globe, even in sovereign nations. We have given heavy weapons to extremist groups in order to fight our battles, only to have them turn on us and result in more innocent blood shed. When you count the number of innocent civilian deaths the United States has played a role since the end of World War Two, it far surpasses the amount of lives potentially saved. I do not know who classifies invading countries and killing civilians in order to carry out the role as world police a benevolent act, but those who do, certainly are out of touch.

    I just want to give you a quick reminder how devastating the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were, how devastating the use of Agent Orange was in Vietnam, how nearly 2 million civilians were killed in Korea, how the dispersion of weapons to extremists has caused American deaths in the middle east, how since 9/11 in the United States there have only been 33 deaths as a result of terrorism, while in contrast the United States has killed about 3,000 civilians in Pakistan alone with drones. That is not benevolence, that is murder, that is the use of power and force to police the globe.

    I never said we were perfect.

    Do you have any idea how much MORE war, destruction, chaos and conquest would likely have taken place if we had NOT stepped up to the plate as the world's new superpower?

    Have you looked at the brutalities commited by previous world empires?

    Perhaps you need to study more history. It will give you some useful perspective.

    We are, compared to almost any previous world superpower, relatively quite benign and light-handed.

    If it were not us, it would be someone else... perhaps you'd prefer Red China or the former USSR were ordering the globe according to THEIR preferences? I guarantee you someone would be the big dog... and most other current candidates would NOT be as nice about it as we've been.

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    Re: How Many?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    How many nuclear warheads should the U.S. be allowed to have?
    One hundred million warheads.
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