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Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or spy?

Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or spy

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wolfman24 said:
I disagree the next "big one" will be about dimishing resources and lack of usable space.
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Agreed. The fight for resources and territory will be additions to the ideological struggle of today. Drones will just be the vehicle by which actions are carried out.
 
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jamesrage said:
Would you be okay with other nations sending drones into your country to kill or spy on people? I decided to come up with this poll question because I have been thinking for awhile about how our government sends drones into Pakistan to kill people that if I was the citizens of that country the Pakistani politicians who gave the okay for such a thing would be getting lynched and publicly executed for allowing such a breach of sovereignty for the civilian causalities those drone strike sometimes cause.


Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill and or spy on people?

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No
I do not know
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Sure. As well as any other nation who wants nuclear weapons should have them, as well.
 
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For the most part, yes, we should allow other countries if we cannot control terrorists in our own country that plot and carry out attacks on another countries citizens. Whatever means necessary, and name a war or conflict that didn't have innocent victims. For example, imagine if we had cells of environmentalist wackos that attacked mecca during the hajj period murdering thousands of innocents similar to 9/11 because they were trying to force the Sausis to stop selling us oil. Do you think, the Saudis would have a vested interest with us to eliminate these hippie freaks?
 
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DaveFagan said:
When a country fails to remove/prosecute/mitigate terrorists or guerillas within its' borders and allows or perhaps encourages or otherwise supports the activities of these terrorists outside its borders, that country is begging for a drone attack. Other than that, I think they should be illegal because they are a violation of sovereign airspace. I think if drones fly over my airspace, it is open season year round.
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I think you are right, but we should have some strong oversight as to who is deemed a viable threat and "America's problem". It costs money to do any kind of strike like that (intelligence/maintenance/fuel, etc.), plus it could cost innocent lives. And I can't imagine what it feels like living in a country where drone strikes are a possibility. Scary.

I do like the fact that it doesn't put any of our men and women in direct harm, though. Robot army = delicious.
 
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Awesome! said:
For the most part, yes, we should allow other countries if we cannot control terrorists in our own country that plot and carry out attacks on another countries citizens. Whatever means necessary, and name a war or conflict that didn't have innocent victims. For example, imagine if we had cells of environmentalist wackos that attacked mecca during the hajj period murdering thousands of innocents similar to 9/11 because they were trying to force the Sausis to stop selling us oil. Do you think, the Saudis would have a vested interest with us to eliminate these hippie freaks?
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I see what you're saying, but that isn't an equal comparison. We were attacked once, according to our government, by a terrorist cell from another country on our own soil. It wasn't the direct slaughter of thousands. Also, just because a terrorist cell makes an attack it doesn't justify occupying the entire country they are based in, at that country's great expense and our own. We don't need knee-jerk occupations and bombings. And yes, civilian casualties have been a part of almost every major war or conflict, but that doesn't mean we should brush them aside as a given stat. These are real people with real lives and we should always be striving to minimize and negate all unnecessary damage to lives and land.

Also, in your scenario, the Saudis would be working with us to find this terrorist group. But, from what I can tell, we've just put Iraq and Afganistan to work for us. That is a big problem that I have with how America views its military use. It is just "might makes right" all over the place.
 
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If Pakistan, or any other country, wants to, they can shoot them down.
Just like we would if someone flew drones over the US and refused to stop.
 
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Obviously, some pretty great oversight is needed in that kind of R&D. Lockheed Martin not allowed.
 
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jamesrage said:
Would you be okay with other nations sending drones into your country to kill or spy on people? I decided to come up with this poll question because I have been thinking for awhile about how our government sends drones into Pakistan to kill people that if I was the citizens of that country the Pakistani politicians who gave the okay for such a thing would be getting lynched and publicly executed for allowing such a breach of sovereignty for the civilian causalities those drone strike sometimes cause.


Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill and or spy on people?

Yes
No
I do not know
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No because my country is the United States of America, I do however support this activity in Pakistan. It isn't about fairness, it's about utility and who I believe is right. The world is not run on the strut of moral equivalency and equity. Thank god for that.
 
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Here's a clue:

LIFE IS NOT FAIR.
 
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Smeagol said:
However, a big factor is America can and they can't. I also thnk America enjoys a unique position in the world that makes it okay for us. Sorry if that sounds arrogant, just being honest.

Ps. I think it's okay for China and Japan to send drones into North Korea if they had them. I think it's okay for Nigeria, Kenya or South Africa to send drones into other African countries experiencing instability or conflict.
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Instability and conflict is not justification for murder. It's the cause of it.
 
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I have never seen how Americans can rationalize the idea of shooting a drone and killing civilians in another country, because they were aiming for an enemy of the state. If the United States was the victim of this from another country, there would be severe repercussions. Why the double standard. We need to play by the rules that all countries play under.
 
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iacardsfan said:
I have never seen how Americans can rationalize the idea of shooting a drone and killing civilians in another country, because they were aiming for an enemy of the state. If the United States was the victim of this from another country, there would be severe repercussions. Why the double standard. We need to play by the rules that all countries play under.
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If Pakistan, or any other country, wants to, they can shoot the drones down.
Just like we would if someone flew drones over the US and refused to stop.
 
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H. Lee White said:
If Pakistan, or any other country, wants to, they can shoot the drones down.
Just like we would if someone flew drones over the US and refused to stop.
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Ok, even so, how can you say it is ok to kill innocent people? Since 2001 the United States has killed over 3,000 Pakistani civilians alone with drones. On top of that there are also civilian casualties in other countries such as Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, and other nations in the middle east and africa. These attacks might be killing combatants, but it is also severing any chance at a peaceful future with these nations. We all know this began with a war about Oil, and has evolved since then because we played world police, and made enemies. It is due time we stop making more by killing civilians.
 
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iacardsfan said:
Ok, even so, how can you say it is ok to kill innocent people?
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Depends entirely on the circumstances. When an innocent person dies as a result as an attack on a legitimate target, it is regrettable, but an unintentional consequence.

Since 2001 the United States has killed over 3,000 Pakistani civilians alone with drones.
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How many were legitimate targets, and how many died as a resut on a strike against a legitimate target?

When, say, a mortar crew is dropping bombs on you, do you not take them out because they happen to be in a school courtyard?
 
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H. Lee White said:
Depends entirely on the circumstances. When an innocent person dies as a result as an attack on a legitimate target, it is regrettable, but an unintentional consequence.
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So let us just say that because a country suspects that your neighbor is a threat to their security, they have nothing definite, but only a rumor. They decide to shoot a drone at your neighbors house, and you are not home at the time You return home to find your whole family dead, your house destroyed, and as it turns out the neighbor was not indeed a threat at all, but it was false intelligence, yet his whole family perished, as well as yours and several neighbors. This is justifiable? Even if the target was justifiable as he posed a *potential* threat to the nation, would you see this as justifiable.

When, say, a mortar crew is dropping bombs on you, do you not take them out because they happen to be in a school courtyard?
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Shooting a drone at a target and coming in on foot is two totally different situations. Coming in on foot it is possible to calculate the most effective time and way to take the target out without injuring civilians. Forces equipped with military issued weaponry is *much* less destructive then shooting a drone at somebody. A whole area is taken out by a drone, with bullets there is a much smaller range of damage.
 
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iacardsfan said:
So let us just say that because a country suspects that your neighbor is a threat to their security, they have nothing definite, but only a rumor.
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You cannot show that this is the case for a significant number of these strikes, and so you analogy, while possibly valid in a vacuum, isn't relevant to the situation at hand. You're arging that we're shooting misiles into known civilian areas "just in case" there a legitimate target, something that we do not do.
 
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gavinfielder said:
Instability and conflict is not justification for murder. It's the cause of it.
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I was thinking more of surveillance than anything else.

Have we accidentally taken out any non-Al Qaeda members?
 
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H. Lee White said:
You cannot show that this is the case for a significant number of these strikes, and so you analogy, while possibly valid in a vacuum, isn't relevant to the situation at hand. You're arging that we're shooting misiles into known civilian areas "just in case" there a legitimate target, something that we do not do.
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The area where most of the United States drones are shot is the Tribal Areas of the North West. There is an estimated 4 million civilians in the Tribal areas. That is essentially shooting a drone into Los Angeles (give or take the population density)
 
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A lot depends on how you define "okay." By what means of measuring? The simplest answer is no, it's not okay.

But when our citizens are under threat by terrorists, and the country housing the same terrorist provides little or no assistance in abducting that terrorist, then it is logical to employ drones. The country being overflown has every right to try and shoot down the drones, but then that creates a far more volatile situation. Even if that country "can" stop the drones, it's not necessarily wise that they "should" shoot them down.

If the US has ever launched drones over Canada, you can be pretty sure Canada was aware and permitted it. There's really no reason for the US to do so anyway. If the US is looking for something, we can expect Canada to cooperate fully. So we don't need drones in such an instance. In the case of Yemen, the US either gets no cooperation or "pretend" cooperation that is achieving nothing. They will not permit US troops, so the only option the US is left with are drones.

So whether or not it's "okay" or not doesn't really enter into it. Much depends on the scenario, and whether or not the application of force is required to resolve the scenario.
 
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Sherman123 said:
No because my country is the United States of America, I do however support this activity in Pakistan. It isn't about fairness, it's about utility and who I believe is right. The world is not run on the strut of moral equivalency and equity. Thank god for that.
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Seems kind of hypocritical to support drones killing and spying on people in other countries, but not your own.I am sure America is harboring some people wanted in other countries.
 
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Not if we're not at war with them.
 
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There are only 2other alternatives:

1. That murderers and terroristic only need to run to "safe homebase" - like a child playing chase - and therefore we cannot do anything but go to war against that whole country.

2. Congratulating the killer(s) for successfully getting away with it.
 
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