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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's not perceived civility... they are not a civilized country. They are a tribal, lawless, and violent third world country. Their own police do not have control in vast tribal sections of that country.

    If we were talking about France or Japan, I would say there is no way we should be sending drones into their country. We are not. So this is distinct.

    Again perceived civility is irrelevant. We wouldn't tolerate another nation dropping a bomb on a suspect and innocent bystanders in our own country, heck we wouldn't tolerate even our own government dropping a bomb on a suspect and innocent bystanders in our country. This amounts to dropping a bomb on a suspected gang member, bank robber and some other suspect and innocent bystanders.

    The fact is, there are terrorists in Pakistan which threaten the safety of American citizens. While you might object, Pakistan's perceived sovereignty is of secondary importance to the safety of Americans.
    I am pretty sure criminals in our own country are a bigger threat to us than terrorists on the other side of the globe are.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Would you be okay with other nations sending drones into your country to kill or spy on people? I decided to come up with this poll question because I have been thinking for awhile about how our government sends drones into Pakistan to kill people that if I was the citizens of that country the Pakistani politicians who gave the okay for such a thing would be getting lynched and publicly executed for allowing such a breach of sovereignty for the civilian causalities those drone strike sometimes cause.


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    A simple question often ignores the complexity of a situation, but it sounds OK, neat work. So I'll give a simple answer. How about: NO! Itís not OK. One should bomb the whole country if it harbors enemies that are taking actions against us or our allies. The example you give is perfect, Pakistan. Oh the innocents in Pakistan don't have the ability to kick the terrorists out, too bad. We like simple answers.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How many of these terrorist and innocent bystanders killed by those drones have actually killed Americans? I am pretty sure that gang members and other criminals have taken more American lives that terrorists have, but no one is suggesting that we should send in predator drones to the neighborhoods they live in to bomb them and the surrounding homes.
    When it comes to American gang members we have no problem sending in police forces to deal with them. Los Angeles, for instance, isn't telling the US we can't enter. So there's no need to use the drones. In the case of Pakistan, our theoretical ally, they tell us we cannot enter Pakistan to chase down terrorists. And Pakistan has demonstrated no interest in clearing out terrorist camps. So Pakistan is providing safe haven for them that we cannot reach. This leaves us with no other option but to use drones.

    And these "innocents" who provide food, shelter, and supplies to terrorists who not only murder Americans, they slaughter any Afghani or Pakistani who doesn't do their bidding or fails to follow their hyper-fundamentalist doctrine. How innocent are those who provide a camp these cutthroats and murderers? Witness the thousands slaughtered in the Swat valley and hundreds of thousands left homeless. Anyone who runs with these monsters can never be described as "innocent." The kill radius of a hellfire missile is roughly 200 feet. So you must be living in very close quarters with the Taliban et al to become a collateral casualty. And these are fired in the rocks and boulders of badlands in Pakistan, not metropolitan areas. The only way a person is there, is if they are part of the Taliban camp. and that eliminates any presumption of innocence.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
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    I am pretty sure criminals in our own country are a bigger threat to us than terrorists on the other side of the globe are.
    If there was a 55/50 chance that 9-11 could have been stopped with a timely drone strike that would possibly have a dozen innocents killed, say wives or gardeners, you would have been against it?

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    If there was a 55/50 chance that 9-11 could have been stopped with a timely drone strike that would possibly have a dozen innocents killed, say wives or gardeners, you would have been against it?
    if the strike were not ordered and the decision to not order it was ever made public, I'd devote my life to impeaching those responsible.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Your logic fails because you equate the united states to pakistan.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again perceived civility is irrelevant. We wouldn't tolerate another nation dropping a bomb on a suspect and innocent bystanders in our own country, heck we wouldn't tolerate even our own government dropping a bomb on a suspect and innocent bystanders in our country. This amounts to dropping a bomb on a suspected gang member, bank robber and some other suspect and innocent bystanders.



    I am pretty sure criminals in our own country are a bigger threat to us than terrorists on the other side of the globe are.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Your logic fails because you equate the united states to pakistan.
    Your logic fails because you think countries you perceive to be uncivilized or less civilized should have not right to sovereignty and that it should be alright to bomb suspects and surrounding innocent bystanders in those countries without even declaring war or having a trial for the people bombed.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    I would say another country flying drones in US would be an act of war. Course to be consistant...
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    I think if they can't control the terrorists in their own country, and they pose a threat to us, we have every right to defend ourselves by going after those terrorists.

    Like I said, there are vast areas of Pakistan that the government doesn't even control. The military and the police don't even go out there. They are tribal areas and breeding grounds for terrorists.

    So Pakistan's government doesn't control it, they won't even go out there, but we're not allowed to take out a terrorist who is camped out there? Please.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Your logic fails because you think countries you perceive to be uncivilized or less civilized should have not right to sovereignty and that it should be alright to bomb suspects and surrounding innocent bystanders in those countries without even declaring war or having a trial for the people bombed.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think if they can't control the terrorists in their own country, and they pose a threat to us, we have every right to defend ourselves by going after those terrorists.
    If I used your definition of defending yourself then it would be alright for me to shoot some guy in some other state as well as innocent bystanders because he may or may drive down to my state and rob my house.

    Like I said, there are vast areas of Pakistan that the government doesn't even control. The military and the police don't even go out there. They are tribal areas and breeding grounds for terrorists.

    So Pakistan's government doesn't control it, they won't even go out there, but we're not allowed to take out a terrorist who is camped out there? Please.
    This amounts to letting France drop a bomb on an alleged gang member's house here in the US.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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