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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Would you be okay with other nations sending drones into your country to kill or spy on people? I decided to come up with this poll question because I have been thinking for awhile about how our government sends drones into Pakistan to kill people that if I was the citizens of that country the Pakistani politicians who gave the okay for such a thing would be getting lynched and publicly executed for allowing such a breach of sovereignty for the civilian causalities those drone strike sometimes cause.


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    If the goverment is not part and parcel of active hostile operations against us then I agree no would be the appriate answer. However in the case of Pakistan, they and their goverment are quite active against us and our intrests in conducting overtly hostile actions against us and have done so BEFORE we have conducted overt hostile action against them. I believe the term that you are looking for is called reprisal, though in this particular case the term only fits partialy. So in answer to your question yes we VERY justified in using drones and to be quite blunt, we have been in my opinion exceedinly, bordering on excessively tame about it. If it were my administration I would be frankly much more ruthless, widespread, and overt about it.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    This thread is apparently aimed at a country doing that to us or so it seems.

    In my view there are two issues;

    Drone Bombing: If we were at war (constitutional) with another country, then drones are legal and will be used.
    If we are not a war with another country then what we are doing is illegal and should be viewed by the other country as an act of war. The same would be true if another country would be doing this to us.

    Drone Spying; Although there are legal issues here we and other countries have been doing stuff like this for years and will continue as far into the future as I can see. right or wrong.

    There is a state that is not quite war but is not excactly peace either such as what we had with the Barbery pirates and essintially what we have with Pakistan. The only diffence really is land verses sea born, for lack of a better term, piracy, though in the case of Pakistan it is slightly more. In any case our constitution recognises this fact, though a power called Marque and Reprisal. Basically this is a licence givin to private ships or operators to go hunt ships ans their bases and plunder loot or kill them in responce to our ships being hunted. The same concept is applicable in the case of Pakistan wereas instead of private ships we use our drones and speacial operators. Quite frankly Pakistan and her citizens are earning what they get from us from our attacks by drone and special warfare people. They want it to stop, its simple stop allowing operation out of their territory that harm us or ours.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seems kind of hypocritical to support drones killing and spying on people in other countries, but not your own.I am sure America is harboring some people wanted in other countries.
    It's a ridiculous and childish attempt at equivalency. "How do you feel about bombing Germany, do you think Germany should have the right to bomb America? How would it make you feel?". It completely misses the point. I choose to support drone strikes in Pakistan because I believe we have an enemy in those regions that is both inimical to our interests and based upon my values morally reprehensible. Bearing both of those in mind I support continued activities in Pakistan and I hold the Taliban, al-Qaeda, the Teherik-I-Taliban, and whomever else you want to drum up responsible for the continuation of the conflict because of the objectives they persist in fighting for.

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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Should it be legal? No. Is it going to happen anyway? Yes. Opperations of a Clandestine nature happen regardless of whether or not you "think" they should. It is quite important for us to maintain our intelligence on other countries. If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with United States national security. I understand that is simplifying things, but I feel the nature of the question is simplified. The fact is that we need to keep an eye on things going on around us. It is a scary thought that OTHER nations are aquiring these drones though.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Didn't say we didn't. Try reading the entire statement.

    Oh, as I thought about it, the south had many a klan member who terrorized that law enforcement turn a blind eye to.
    Did they terrorize other countries? That's what this thread is about.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Actually, I'm okay if another country wants to send their drones over here. I just hope they're equally happy to have every damned one of them destroyed, and the incursions into their airspace to destroy the drone airbases as well. And the complete destruction of interceptors trying to stop our incursion. They should be also happy with the crippling economic sanctions that will follow. Yeah, they can send drones over, but I doubt anyone is willing to pay the cost for doing so.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    We are a civilized country, Pakistan is not. That's the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Would you be okay with other nations sending drones into your country to kill or spy on people? I decided to come up with this poll question because I have been thinking for awhile about how our government sends drones into Pakistan to kill people that if I was the citizens of that country the Pakistani politicians who gave the okay for such a thing would be getting lynched and publicly executed for allowing such a breach of sovereignty for the civilian causalities those drone strike sometimes cause.


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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    It's a ridiculous and childish attempt at equivalency. "How do you feel about bombing Germany, do you think Germany should have the right to bomb America? How would it make you feel?". It completely misses the point. I choose to support drone strikes in Pakistan because I believe we have an enemy in those regions that is both inimical to our interests and based upon my values morally reprehensible. Bearing both of those in mind I support continued activities in Pakistan and I hold the Taliban, al-Qaeda, the Teherik-I-Taliban, and whomever else you want to drum up responsible for the continuation of the conflict because of the objectives they persist in fighting for.

    We were at war with Germany,not Pakistan. So your comparison fails.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We are a civilized country, Pakistan is not. That's the difference.
    Perceived civility is irrelevant to the fact we are violating the sovereignty of another country and harming their civilians without even declaring war on that country.
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    Re: Should it be okay for other nations to send drones into your country to kill or s

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We were at war with Germany,not Pakistan. So your comparison fails.
    Not it doesn't you are being deliberately stubborn. The point you raised was one of fairness, the issue I raised was that this is about utility and a choice in which perspective you take. I believe drone strikes offer us utility, and I believe the perspective of the US and the cause of liberalism is superior and thus I support it conversely I find the objectives of the Taliban and their affiliates to be incompatible and horrendous.

    If your quibble is over the legal status of our campaign in Pakistan you can move that to another thread and its a separate question. I believe it is legal and justified under the AUMF and the constitutional prerogatives the President retains and has retained since such undeclared activities abroad began with Jefferson under similar authorization and with similar latitude. Again though, not relevant to the point at hand.

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